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Re: Hopkins & Jacobs [was: Paratopia PodCast 55]

From: Gildas Bourdais <bourdais.gildas.nul>
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 10:52:48 +0100
Archived: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 06:51:00 -0500
Subject: Re: Hopkins & Jacobs [was: Paratopia PodCast 55]

>From: Alfred Lehmberg <alienview.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 10:11:59 -0600
>Subject: Re: Paratopia PodCast 55

>>From: Steve Sawyer <stevesaw.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 07:15:10 -0800
>>Subject: Re: Paratopia PodCast 55

>>>From: Alfred Lehmberg <alienview.nul>
>>>To: <post.nul>
>>>Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 07:33:40 -0600
>>>Subject: Re: Paratopia PodCast 55

>>>>From: Gildas Bourdais <bourdais.gildas.nul>
>>>>To: To: <post.nul>
>>>>Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 10:28:34 +0100
>>>>Subject: Re: Paratopia PodCast 55


>>J' accuse! I recommend, strongly, interested parties listen to
>>Paratopia's podcast 55 for Scott Lilienthal's comments on the
>>hideous pitfalls and dangerous, damaging effects of non-
>>professionals using techniques like regressive hypnosis on
>>vulnerable subjects, to read Rainey'sarticle, and to visit "Emma
>>Woods" website to listen to the "Jacobs tapes" and then decide
>>for themselves just who is committing fraud and hoaxing the
>>public. I am disgusted and deeply disappointed by the likes of
>>Hopkins and Jacobs, and they need to be called to account for
>>their actions, in a court of law if required, to acknowledge and
>>be compelled to change or abandon such manipulative and
>>destructive practices from here on out, in my humble opinion.
>>They bring extraordinary discredit and oppobrium to the entire
>>endeavor of real ufology, and should be stopped. They deserve no
>>tributes or honors, just justice.

>This is the kind of thing that needs pursuit in a situation
>where there is already so much ready discredit, ready, eh? Why
>would we bring "extraordinary discredit and opprobrium to the
>entire endeavor of real ufology," anyway but to provide for for
>the facilitation of an, at least, _suspect_ status quo. We won't
>do it for Morton or Hoagland... how can we justify it for Jacobs
>and Hopkins?

>Ufology and Abduction research would be irreparably damaged?
>Nonsense in the first place, and as it stands, perhaps
>justifiably so, in the second! Remember that it is the UFO
>compelling research and interest in same... not we small women
>and men explicating in its regard. The moment our attention
>starts to waver the UFOs provide, on their own, for another
>Illinois, Stephenville, Iran, Phoenix, Rendlesham... well, I
>really could just go on and on here, eh?

Before discarding  Budd Hopkins, who BTW is gravely ill, may I
remind of what Richad Hall wrote about him and John Mack, on
this List, in 2006, just to give another angle to the debate:



From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99.nul>
To: ufoupdates.nul
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 22:44:46 +0000
Subject: UFO Abductions And John Mack

I commend to the attention of everyone on this List who has an
interest in UFO abduction reports the recent article by Budd
Hopkins titled John Mack, UFO Abductions And Transformative
Experiences. The article appears in Intruders Foundation Special
Report No. 8, February 2006. He has captured my outlook
perfectly and expressed it much more eloquently than I have been
able to do.

In the process Budd, for whom I have great respect, is fairer to
John Mack than I could be, presenting a much softer view of
Mack's anti-Western science, pro New Age biases, while quite
properly focusing on Mack's human qualities and the warm
relationship he had with Mack.

As I have said before, Budd (the artist) has acted much more
scientifically than many or most scientists when it comes to
application of scientiifc method to UFOs. His comparison and
contrast of his own background and intellectual outlook with
that of Mack is extremely interesting. Hopefully someone will be
able to post the article on UFO Updates.

- Dick Hall





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