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Hopkins & Jacobs [was: Paratopia PodCast 55]

From: Gildas Bourdais <bourdais.gildas.nul>
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:35:14 +0100
Archived: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 06:29:27 -0500
Subject: Hopkins & Jacobs [was: Paratopia PodCast 55]


>From: Steve Sawyer <stevesaw.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 07:15:10 -0800
>Subject: Re: Paratopia PodCast 55

>>From: Alfred Lehmberg <alienview.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 07:33:40 -0600
>>Subject: Re: Paratopia PodCast 55

>>>From: Gildas Bourdais <bourdais.gildas.nul>
>>>To: To: <post.nul>
>>>Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 10:28:34 +0100
>>>Subject: Re: Paratopia PodCast 55

>><snip>

>>>BTW, I have been shocked by the article of Carol Rainey. Here is
>>>the copy of the message of support I sent to Budd Hopkins. I
>>>would like to see some support of him on this list...

>>>"I have great respect for Budd, whom I met several times, in
>>>Brazil, France and Italy, and for Leslie Kean as well. I am sure
>>>that his research on abductions is, and will remain, very
>>>important, and this is an occcasion to thank him warmly for
>>>that.

>>>His book Art, Life and UFOs, which I have just read, also
>>>confirm to me his qualities, as a man and as a talented artist.
>>>I see the article of Carol Rainey as a very regrettable mistake
>>>which, hopefully, will be soon forgotten.

>>Well, all respect Sir, it's gone beyond all that. Forgotten is
>>just not appropriate. If S.D. Morton or R. Hoagland were caught
>>like this we'd be on 'em like white on rice. Ms. Rainey is a
>>legitimate whistleblower, and she should not be shot for that.

>>See, you can say what you want about the motivations of Ms.
>>Rainey in production, but I can report that she was spot-on in
>>at _least_ a third of her report as it pertains to Jim
>>Mortellaro, that prevaricating little man who caused us all, but
>>me specifically, such embarrassment, injury, and cognitive
>>insult last decade. I'm inclined by her performance there to
>>give her the benefit of the doubt on the rest, which seems
>>cogent, calm and entirely bereft of any sexist 'woman scorned'.

>>Hopkins is having to endure a lot of guilt by association with
>>David Jacobs... who has been caught so red-handed and dirty that
>>continued defense in his credit is wholly inexplicable, IMO.
>>People are getting hurt and there must be some responsibility
>>taken for that.

><snip>

>I agree completely here with Mr. Lehmberg.  Absolutely.

>The Carol Rainey expose of Budd Hopkins (can't wait to see her
>film on same!), and by association, David Jacobs, via the "Emma
>Woods" affair, are both quite important developments within the
>field of "abduction research," and more generally, ufology
>itself, in terms of proper evidential procedure, objective
>vetting, and peer review and supervision by fellow researchers
>of the boards, groups, and individuals seriously interested in
>the advancement and progress to be made in UFO investigation and
>related aspects such as abduction.

>The latest revelations constitute a tremendous scandal on the
>part of both Hopkins and Jacobs, among others (read at
>paratopia.com what Rainey had to say about Leslie Kean's
>endorsement, against all logic, of Hopkins research early on,
>for example), and _must_ be honestly addressed and debated
>to the degree required to prevent further psychological and
>emotional harm to those subjected to regressive hypnosis,
>which is and has never been a scientifically sound process or
>"therapy" of any kind. The British UFO group, BUFORA,
>wisely banned its use several years ago, due to just such
>potential for abuse of subjects and implantation of false or
>confabulated memories. John Mack is also responsible for
>such egregious and reprehensible activities, although he may
>not be as equally guilty as Hopkins and Jacobs, who not
>should have known better, but did know better, but kept on
>with their increasing sensationalism of cases and alleged
>incidents apparently in order to enhance their reputations and
>and to make money via lectures and books.


Steve and List

I find such a such a violent accusation totally unacceptable.
With that, you just disqualify yourself.

I note that it includes now Leslie Kean, and, to tell the truth,
this does not surprise me to see her targeted as well, knowing
how successful she has been recently.

Yes, she supported the Cortile case, and so do I. And I again
applaud her excellent work in ufology.


Gildas Bourdais




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