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Re: Falls And The Trickster

From: Gerald O'Connell <goc.nul>
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 18:45:07 -0000
Archived: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 06:37:57 -0500
Subject: Re: Falls And The Trickster

>From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 10:29:30 -0800
>Subject: Re: Falls And The Trickster

>>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 23:01:48 -0000
>>Subject: Re: Falls And The Trickster

>>>From: Carol Maltby <carolmaltby.nul>
>>>To: post.nul
>>>Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:31:11 -0500
>>>Subject: Re: Falls And The Trickster

>>>>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
>>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <post.nul>
>>>>Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 03:56:56 -0000
>>>>Subject: Falls And The Trickster

>>>>Keresley Villagers Mystified By Apple Shower


>>>>Reading the collection you'll see that some quite massy objects
>>>>feature, including quarry stones etc. While gravel (hundreds of
>>>>reports) is almost feasibly lifted by 'whirlwinds', some other
>>>>of the objects are unfeasibly large and dense.

>>>>[Quite apart from the fact that 'falls' are always exclusively
>>>>of one type of object or life-form - no mixtures, no rubbish,
>>>>pond contents, branches or even dirt/soil - which one would
>>>>surely expect to find if 'whirlwinds' were doing the work]


>>>There doesn't seem to be any interest by the British press in
>>>doing "extraordinary investigation" of the phenomenon. It's been
>>>weeks since the first frost in the Coventry area, yet one
>>>motorist tells the Daily Mail that they were "small and green."
>>>This may contradict Mr Meakins in the BBC report, who said some
>>>of the apples were "large, like cooking apples (the Toronto Sun
>>>decides to play it safe by calling them "yellowy-green"). No-one
>>>appears to have wandered over to a greengrocer to find out what
>>>kinds of apples they were.


>>Hello Carol,

>>Yup, although tongue-in-cheek was hoping (as always) to prompt
>>some actual 'scientific' analysis.

>>Like - what circular wind-speeds are necessary to pick up a
>>bunch of spherical, fairly dense things like apples? (Or quarry
>>stones?)  Does that happen (apart from the rarely recorded
>>tornadoes) regularly around UK?

>>And does a local 'whirlwind' have the energy (and time) to do
>>mass/size 'sorting' of objects in the column?

>>That last is because 'falls' always seem to be of one type and
>>size of object/life-form.

>You are so right, Ray. There is no way that an unreported
>whirlwind  or tornado could selectively pick up or sort out one
>type of object from scores of other possibilities, and after
>whirling them up around and around, dump them all in one small
>locality. No atmospheric scientist worth his salt could go along
>with any of that, unless the alternative was unthinkable to him,
>that certain aliens were merely flaunting their advanced
>capabilities, or perhaps demonstrating them for educational
>purposes. Then any alternative to this is better than the

>It would be an easier alternative to believe that the apples had
>been dumped, in one huge dose, by a trickster from an airplane
>whose sight, sound and flight plan were unobserved or unknown.
>But this still would not explain previous unexplained falls of
>various creatures/species in past decades in England.

Hi Jim,

For the benefit of the layman, can you explain why it is not
possible for  there to be a process whereby tornados or tornado-
like atmospheric effects:

1. Pick up objects from the ground, including those similar in
size and density to those under discussion here;

2. Transport them a considerable distance such that their 're-
appearance' at ground level is not associated with the effects
that caused them to be lifted aloft;

3. Cause these objects to be dropped back to the surface
selectively at different times and places according to their
size and/or density via a process analogous to fractional

Gerald O'Connell

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