From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <post.nul> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 08:20:38 -0500 Archived: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 08:20:38 -0500 Subject: Essential Read From Current Encounters List An _essential_ read from posts at: Francis Ridge's Current Encounters List ----- From: John W - Sat, 3 Dec 2011 Inside Secret U$ Government Warehouses -UFO documentary This can be downloaded as a 1hr 27min, 203 Mb, FLV video file. Very comprehensive documentary. --- Jan Aldrich - Sat, 3 Dec 2011 I guess this shows how far we have strayed from real ufology. UFO fantasy sells better than actual facts. The will to believe the most outlandish stuff funds such half baked productions. Doesn't matter how many times hoaxes are exposed, the crowd will always come back for more. The real disinformation agents, look in the mirror! --- William Shakalis - Sat, 3 Dec 2011 Well said Jan. Too much of that in all kinds of 'UFO circles'... --- Jan Aldrich - Sun, 4 Dec 2011 Yes, William, and I am not going to let this go with just one little comment. The damage this kind of stuff does to our image is really beyond belief. Sometimes we do escape! I attended a MUFON Connecticut meeting in which the press was invited. It was the day before the release of the high resolution photos of the Face on Mars. And there was Bleechmen making the most outlandish claims about the Face on Mars. It went on and on without stopping. Mercifully, the press did not come to the meeting. The contrast of what was claimed to the photographs would provide further fodder for press ridicule! The meeting was for me worthwhile as the WWII AAF intelligence officer I mentioned at my MUFON Connecticut presentaion took me aside and told me about the WWII 9th AF Foo Fighter study which Greenwood later found discussed in a Boston newspaper article in 1947. Real ufology is represented by the Minot B-52 investigation, which took years, thousand of man hours, miles of travel and great expense. http://minotb52ufo.com Almost no comment or discussion on most Lists or Blogs. Too complicated. Rather, people telling you about hidden alien artifacts in governemnt warehouses, let's promote this schlock! Earlier we had a question about UFO sightings at the Woomera missile base. Keith Basterfield's blog on the subject (follow the links here for a comprehensive listing of cases) took years of hard research. http://tinyurl.com/bohgo8c Of course, this is not a subject of over-hyped crank stories. If I were to design a disinformation program to keep rational people from looking for UFO evidence, I could have done better than "Secret U$ Govt Warehouses - documentary". --- Steven Kaeser - Sat, 3 Dec 2011 In the past several decades we have created a mythos around phenomena we can t explain. We ve seen the rise of UFO Advocates, as opposed to Researchers, and the science isn't the better for it. And unfortunately, as most researchers spend time researching old cases and going through archives, Advocates offer explanations and a view of a future that many people want to hear. So, their message resonates much better than graphs, charts and obscure scientific analysis. The problem is that the genre is being defined by the public and the Internet, which is both the greatest boon and the greatest curse to ufology (IMO). I believe the truly scientific side of this investigation faded into the background almost a decade ago, and while research still takes place, it remains unco-ordinated and becomes more of the noise on the Internet (again, IMO). As researchers pull data from un-vetted sources, which has become a problem, the scientific foundation of the entire field begins to weaken. For a variety of reasons I have become a lurker for the most part on this List, but I will again promote the ideal that someone should write a comprehensive look at the evolution of ufology from the psychological perspective, looking at the evolution of the research and public/government response to unknown phenomena. There are aspects of this genre that you couldn t make up. I'll add that much has been written about the impact of Star Trek on people that made it so popular, and one factor is thought to be the fact that it showed a future. In the 60s, we were in a very dark time, facing nuclear war, the Viet Nam mess, racial tension and much more. So, when a new world of the future was shown on television, showing advances in technology and racial harmony, that was very attractive to a young audience. I would suspect that the UFO genre offers that same hope for many, as we face different stresses in our world today. I believe there are many who look with hope to some sort of external salvation from our ills, or would at least like to believe that if other civilizations survived, there might be hope for us. Now, this is a lot more than I wanted to type and moved to an area that is far different than the investigation of lights in the sky. --- Francis Ridge - Tue, 06 Dec 2011 Steven, I agree with a lot of what you have to say about the advocates of Ufology and some of the researchers today. I'm constantly reminded by friends about what they heard on Coast to Coast or saw on television. These interpretations of the UFO 'truth' are very similar to other areas of science throughout history. But time heals and time resolves issues as investigation and research (good and bad) continues on. One thing _we_ can truly say is that instead of throwing cases into the pot and each having his own take and what we want to believe and don't want to believe, we actually go to the source and establish what was reported, not what somebody said about it. Keyhoe or Ruppelt mentioned a case and somebody says it didn't happen or was exaggerated, we go to the Blue Book documents and establish what the witness actually reported and what this implies. We have done this with the cases documented in the last couple of years and have at least a thousand such cases that were once questionable or weren't even known about until we found them, right in the BB records. We can be proud of what we have accomplished. The concept that we have been or are being observed is as true today as it was when Keyhoe used that phrase in the 1950's. The only difference is it is a lot more complicated now than it was back then. --- Rob Duvall - Tue, 6 Dec 2011 Fran, That it is - more complicated. In the mid to late forties when the bulk of the strong sightings were related to sensitive military activities and installations, that was the extent of it. Since then many other aspects to this phenomena have become prevalent. It is a simple concept to realize why someone would focus attention on military and nuclear developments and activities. But throw in abduction, animal and human mutilation, crop circles, prominent overt sightings over highly populated cities, and many other aspects and suddenly it is not so clear anymore. (I add these without stating a specific relationship) Yet a relationship may exist and it is extremely difficult to put them together. Similarly there may be reasons for all of this activity to relate back to the military and nuclear aspect that began with during WW2. I have looked into the possibility of the activity tracking developments and policy since we began our interest globally in pursuing nuclear weapons development. It seems that has been occurring, but what if that assertion is flawed. I don't feel the need to muddy the waters anymore than they already are. I used to be adamant about it, but rather than jump into the fray I chose to wait a while and gain perspective. I still do strongly believe that much could be gained by comparative study of our history to these events, but conclusions and relationships must not be forced. Rather, incremental steps with solid backing must prevail from certain sectors of the research community which have established credibility. I will not compromise those who have put much work into solid structured findings. But you are right, time will resolve many of the questions and eventually some fragmented picture will emerge that conveys clues to the meaning of all of this. In the meantime and since the beginning of this current phase (historically speaking) of interaction, there has and will continue to be noise to sort from the signal. While it frustrates those who put genuine hard effort that is peer reviewed into solidifying the evidence, the truth is that once the noise is removed the signal is very strong and will continue to provide those in the future with strong material to work with. The generation that started all of this gave us much to work with and as time goes on it is up to us to solidify and add to the meaning for the next generations. That is how the picture will eventually emerge. --- Richard Haines - Tue, 6 Dec 2011 Steven and Fran I've been following your interesting and timely conversations concerning the larger and more philosophical picture of ufology over the decades (e.g., see below) and find myself agreeing with your basic conclusions. On a separate topic I'd like to put a plea in for a new focused research project as follows. The rationale for the proposed project is to be able to eliminate one of the possible explanations for many uap sighting reports,viz., unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) also called by many other names. We must be able to show that manmade aero-technology could not have been present to produce the flight characteristics that were seen at the time the sighting was made. Thus, a comprehensive catalog is needed of all unmanned aerial vehicles. We know that this would produce a truly huge list One place to begin is in Janes-All the World's Aircraft even though there are likely some highly classified test flights before publication there. Aerospace America with the AIAA also periodically publishes a very large listing of UAV around the world. Serious uap researchers will have to confront them one way or another from now on! In NARCAP Tech. Rept. 11 "A Review of Unmanned Aerial Vehicle Designs and Operational Characteristics" (2009) T. J. Osborn concludes by saying, "These factors, size, performance and EM environment (of UAV) together, mean that pilots and air traffic controllers will be exposed to vehicles that seem much more amazing than current aircraft. Pilots and controllers may also experience unusual influences from the unique and changing EM environment associated with UAVs. Observers and investigators of UAPs must certainly consider these factors carefuly." www.narcap.org I personally support his statement and would urge someone (or some group) to assemble such a comprehensive catalog for the good of the order. Dr. Osborn and I also prepared a separate discussion of UAV in section 4.2 in NARCAP's Project Sphere final report "Spherical UAP and Aviation Safety: A Critical Review" (April 2010). (NARCAP Tech. Rept. 14) even though our coverage also included various lighter-than-air craft and balloons. One of our jobs is to separate the signal from the noise; UAV constitute part of the noise component in my opinion. If anyone knows of such a catalog already in existence I would be very glad to know about it. ----- ebk Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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