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Re: Alien Abduction Experiencer Surveys

From: Michael Hughes <michaelmhughes.nul>
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 08:43:44 -0500
Archived: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 12:00:45 -0500
Subject: Re: Alien Abduction Experiencer Surveys

>From: Kathy Kasten <catraja.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 16:02:16 +0000
>Subject: Re: Alien Abduction Experiencer Surveys

>>From: Michael Hughes <michaelmhughes.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 14:07:35 -0500
>>Subject: Re: Alien Abduction Experiencer Surveys

>>>Maybe, you should consult with a shaman or psychotherapist
>>>before proceeding with your research. And, as I recommended
>>>possibly contacting Dr. Rick Strassman (www.rickstrassman.com)
>>>or accessing the government website for information regarding
>>>Informed Consent Form.

>>>I was hoping the above would be seen as helpful not being
>>>critical of your wanting to do the research.

>>>Just because someone wants to provide information doesn't
>>>mean you should take advantage of their desire to do so.

>>While I am a fan of Strassman's work, and of the principle of
>>informed consent, Strassman's research involved injecting people
>>with a powerful psychedelic (DMT) in an institutional setting.

>>A survey, essentially asking questions and receiving answers, in
>>no way should be seen as requiring the type of formal paperwork
>>and review as a study like Strassman's. A survey is simply a
>>survey or information gathering exercise people will voluntarily
>>contribute to.

>>I don't understand why you think any sort of consent form is
>>necessary here=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=80=9Cpeople who provide data are doing=
>>willinglyand the researchers are not responsible for their


>I was the staff liaison on UCLA's Human Subject Protection
>Committee. Questionnaires and non-invasive studies came under
>Federal Regulations. There is nothing simple about "collecting"
>data on volunteering subjects.

>It looks to me that I am dealing - on this List - with people
>who have never done a formal study.

>BTW, I am one of the people who called out John Mack in his lack
>of developing a protocol and administering an ICF. He set a bad
>example as to how a researcher should be interacting with
>volunteers. Believed me, he did not set a standard that should
>be replicated. His heart was in the right place, but he ignored
>having a protocol. He or his institution could have been easily
>sued by a volunteer who might have suffered adverse side

>As I said, in my view, UFO researchers are wreckless when
>interacting with people willing to volunteer details of their

Au contraire, Kathy. I've worked with a large number of
researchers and postdocs who have conducted surveys, gathering
all sorts of information about everything from food choices to
attitudes about transgenic laboratory mice. None have required
the approval of the IRB that governs the studies with volunteers
which take place at the university, such as the psilocybin
research I've written about, which required extensive and
extremely rigorous review.

But a voluntary information gathering exercise does not require
some kind of psychological screening or approval of an
institution to be ethically sound. Anyone who is uncomfortable
taking a survey can simply choose not to take it.

I'm puzzled by your insistence on the need for institutional
review, and I'm guessing that your personal experiences make you
extra attentive to the needs of experiencers. Nothing wrong with
that, and I applaud your concern, but surveys are conducted all
the time about all sorts of potentially sensitive issues -
without any institutional review. So you are factually


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