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Re: Alien Abduction Experiencer Surveys

From: Kathy Kasten <catraja.nul>
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 16:02:16 +0000
Archived: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 06:07:28 -0500
Subject: Re: Alien Abduction Experiencer Surveys

>From: Michael Hughes <michaelmhughes.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 14:07:35 -0500
>Subject: Re: Alien Abduction Experiencer Surveys

>>Maybe, you should consult with a shaman or psychotherapist
>>before proceeding with your research. And, as I recommended
>>possibly contacting Dr. Rick Strassman (www.rickstrassman.com)
>>or accessing the government website for information regarding
>>Informed Consent Form.

>>I was hoping the above would be seen as helpful not being
>>critical of your wanting to do the research.

>>Just because someone wants to provide information doesn't
>>mean you should take advantage of their desire to do so.

>While I am a fan of Strassman's work, and of the principle of
>informed consent, Strassman's research involved injecting people
>with a powerful psychedelic (DMT) in an institutional setting.

>A survey, essentially asking questions and receiving answers, in
>no way should be seen as requiring the type of formal paperwork
>and review as a study like Strassman's. A survey is simply a
>survey or information gathering exercise people will voluntarily
>contribute to.

>I don't understand why you think any sort of consent form is
>necessary here=E2=80=93people who provide data are doing so willingly,
>and the researchers are not responsible for their well-being.


I was the staff liaison on UCLA's Human Subject Protection
Committee. Questionnaires and non-invasive studies came under
Federal Regulations. There is nothing simple about "collecting"
data on volunteering subjects.

It looks to me that I am dealing - on this List - with people
who have never done a formal study.

BTW, I am one of the people who called out John Mack in his lack
of developing a protocol and administering an ICF. He set a bad
example as to how a researcher should be interacting with
volunteers. Believed me, he did not set a standard that should
be replicated. His heart was in the right place, but he ignored
having a protocol. He or his institution could have been easily
sued by a volunteer who might have suffered adverse side

As I said, in my view, ufo researchers are reckless when
interacting with people willing to volunteer details of their


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