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Re: Alien Abduction Experiencer Surveys

From: Kathy Kasten <catraja.nul>
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 20:09:40 +0000
Archived: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 07:45:50 -0500
Subject: Re: Alien Abduction Experiencer Surveys

>From: Denise Stoner <dms.mUFOnssd.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 10:15:14 -0800 (PST)
>Subject: Re: Alien Abduction Experiencer Surveys

>>From: Kathy Kasten <catraja.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 17:41:43 +0000
>>Subject: Re: Alien Abduction Experiencer Surveys



>>While it is important to have an individual who experienced a
>>crack in their worldview - passed through the crack and lived to
>>tell the tale - these researchers are only looking for data not
>>offering a guide to managing & healing themselves.

>>I am not making a reference to seeking out someone who claims to
>>"work with abductees". There is a psychic/emotional component
>>that is never addressed. The appropriate individual to address
>>this aspect of the experience would be a shaman or
>>psychotherapist. Someone with the background of Dr. Angela

>>More to the point, nowhere in the blurb was Informed Consent
>>Form discussed. There is a brief statement about participants
>>remaining anonymous, but not much else.

>>I suggest that the researchers contact or read DMT by Dr. Rick
>>Strassman, M.D. for an example of how to write an ICF for
>>unconventional research. If no ICF is a part of this research,
>>it cannot be called or seen as a scientific study. And, the
>>participant will not be protected from adverse effects of
>>participating in this project. Yes, there could be adverse
>>effects. Because, once again, the UFO research community
>>collects the data but leaves the experiencer/witness hanging in
>>the wind.

>There are many aspects of research and final discovery of truth
>that can remain enmeshed in a web of rules decided by many who
>feel the individuals conducting any type of research are not
>qualified to do so. I believe science and medicine should play a
>huge part in this search. However, after working with these
>possible abductees for 20+ years, holding private meetings, and
>collecting their stories during these meetings, Kathy and I have
>gathered information science and medical people will never be
>privy to.

I am afraid you missed the point of my suggestion.

Once again, a member of your research team has decided they
were being attacked for their qualifications to conduct their study.
That was not the case. My opinion was NOT about you but asking
the team to put themselves in the place of the subject/volunteer
being asked to participate.

>These private meetings are attended by all walks of life
>including doctors, researchers, Psychologists, etc. They do not
>wish to have their experiences exposed to the general populace
>nor the media. What sharing is done, is freely offered within
>the confines of this small space, but all of it stays in that
>room. Once the door is opened and everyone leaves to go home,
>not a word is spoken regarding information shared. It has been
>mentioned time and again what great relief and peace of mind is
>felt when they are given this opportunity to meet other
>"experiencers" in such a setting.

How do you identify your case files; where is the information
kept; how long are you keeping the case files. Are you implying
that there is a group participating together in your "sessions?"
Is this the primary setting for "collecting" the data you will
be using for your published study results? Are you sharing with
people who volunteer intimate information about their
experiences in a group setting?

I thought you were relying only on answering a questionnaire.

>At one point it was discovered that these individuals had
>several things in common, enough so that Kathy and I felt it
>would benefit the support group even more if they had a survey
>to answer, something solid to see on paper, comparisons to make
>and discuss at a future meeting. The group was thrilled and
>excited to fill out what we put together. How many others have
>been helped this way - uncountable I suspect. We will meet in
>the near future to give them the results so even if there is
>nothing written in concrete - we have something to think about,
>talk about, and perhaps look at a connection between these

Manipulating a group of people to participate in your study? Of
course, the group was motivated by each other, what an
incredible ploy. How could anyone refuse to participate when the
rest of the group is raising their hands and offering
information. It is obvious that neither of the team members have
an understanding of how a group influences each other.

>We felt this would be an opportunity for other people out there
>to help us and themselves learn more about this subject. No one
>is forcing a person to take pen in hand and fill them out. All
>answers do not have to come from a laboratory or licensed
>professional. Just a few people who care about each other, want
>to share, need the answers to a life long question and are
>willing to continue seeking in whatever manner they choose. The
>truth may not be in a test tube or Dr.s response but a small
>room where a lot of talking goes on freely, unencumbered by the
>outside world, and ideas of what to do next in order to help
>each other are highly respected.

Nowhere did you explain to me or the List how you are
"collecting" the data for your written study except a
questionnaire. From your statement, the group questioning takes
place in a very controlled environment. That could work two
ways. Yes, a very private environment where someone feels free
to talk. (Into a tape recorder?)

I understand no one thinks about disclosing to the volunteer the
nature of the study, the side effects of talking about/reliving
the experience.

Just a couple of issues that should be shared with the volunteer
before contributing to your study.

You and Kathy's response to my original e-mail indicates neither
of you have been subjected to the event you are studying. You
have strictly an objective approach - without experiencing the
subjective experience - and it shows. Not a bad thing, just the
position of most UFO researchers. It seems to be taking the view
of 'the others' versus us - the UFO researchers. The 'others'
are to be studied, held at arm's length, put under the
microscope, have lost their status as human being. The 'others'
have become contaminated by contact. Oh dear, to change the
appearance you are projecting, maybe, really, you should
consider at least looking up what an Informed Consent Form is.

At least, just to protect yourselves legally against someone who
might suffer an adverse event from participating in your study.


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