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Re: Women's UFO Symposium Takes On 'Old Boys Club'

From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:53:13 -0600
Archived: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 07:23:14 -0500
Subject: Re: Women's UFO Symposium Takes On 'Old Boys Club'

>From: Kathy Kasten <catraja.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:59:18 +0000
>Subject: Re: Women's UFO Symposium Takes On 'Old Boys Club'

>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:59:38 -0600
>>Subject: Re: Women's UFO Symposium Takes On 'Old Boys Club'

>>>From: Kathy Kasten <catraja.nul>
>>>To: <post.nul>
>>>Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 18:14:32 +0000
>>>Subject: Re: Women's UFO Symposium Takes On 'Old Boys Club'


>It could be that I have met, listened to and related to female
>researchers you did not list. Please see a previous e-mail where
>I list those researchers. And, yes, their approached was
>somewhat different than the male perspective. And, yes, the male
>approach is subtly different from the female approach.

That could well be, Kathy. I'm sure that men and women are
different in ways not necessarily immediately apparent. (I type,
incidentally, as one who has spent his life in the company of
strong and remarkable women: grandmother, mother, daughter,
spouses -- ex- and current -- friends, colleagues.) But as one
who knows more than one ought about the history of ufology, I
have never been able to detect any male-female difference that
has mattered. We are, after all, supposed to be engaged in fact-
finding, an enterprise in which ufology's women have been as
able, lousy, or indifferent as their male counterparts.

Empirically demonstrable facts, toward which all serious
researchers are expected to strive, are not gendered and
shouldn't be treated as if they were.


>For many decades now the subjective has been viewed with
>suspicion and a huge amount of skepticism by male researchers. I
>believe the reason is because females really do have a very
>different method and sensitivity to the subject of both
>paranormal and ufological research.

Not only "different," Kathy, but "_very_ different," huh? Okay,
enough of the broad, sweeping assertions of gender essentialism.
Let's go to the chapter and the verse. Please cite specifics in
the literature so that we know what you're talking about, other
than -- as I suspect -- dated, sentimental notions of male-
female difference (ending in all cases, needless to say, with
the superior virtue of the feminine affirmed).

On this List, by the way, I have already demonstrated that
ufology's onetime move toward the paranormal was driven entirely
by males (Keel, Vallee, Creighton et al.). Ufology's most
prominent women of the period, for example Lorenzen and Davis,
were fiercely critical of what they saw as a suicidal flight
into irrationalism. Leslie Kean, American ufology's most
prominent and respected woman in our time, is no friend of
occult approaches, either. Nothing here, in short, to validate
the sort of gender narrative you're trying to push.

Jerry Clark

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