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Re: Agreeable Disagreement Can It Exist Here?

From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 13:10:39 -0300
Archived: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 08:28:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Agreeable Disagreement Can It Exist Here?


>From: Kathy Kasten <catraja.nul>
>To: <post.nul>, <nilthchi.nul>
>Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:39:20 +0000
>Subject: Re: Agreeable Disagreement Can It Exist Here?

>>From: Rick Nielsen <nilthchi.nul>
>>To: UFOUpDates <post.nul>
>>Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 13:48:19 -0700 (PDT)
>>Subject: Agreeable Disagreement Can It Exist Here?

>>The thrashings of Kasten and Rainey remind me of a quote and at
>>the same time make me wonder.

>>The quote is: "The thrashings will continue until morale
>>improves."

>>The wonder is why we think we can change behaviors by insulting
>>offenders?

>>I agree with expulsions from this List of the criminally
>>convicted who try to maintain status within our ranks, while
>>their criminality continues anyway. Naturally that occurs as
>>natural consequence. And that has happened on this List in the
>>past.

>>But what of those with whom we only disagree?

>>We don't really believe we can beat an idiot into sensibility.
>>Do we? Wouldn't thinking the same approach would work with
>>anyone else question not only our intent but also our own
>>intelligence.

>>Are we really the old, male, bullies some have said we are?

>Rick:

>First of all, thanks for lumping me in with Carol Rainey. I
>realize that males would prefer their women to keep their mouths
>shut and follow the program set in stone. Or, else suffer the
>consequences.

>I have even encountered other women who feel a strong need to
>reenforce the program. They really believe what they are doing.

Wouldn't it be great if we males could fall back on that cop-out
excuse for just plain not having the chops for the job at hand?
I am being picked on and singled out because I am a man. Do you
know that in the book industry you still get this same nonsense
about the female gender being held back when in fact the
publishing industry is dominated by females. Check the book
racks in the stores; Google up agents and publisher's editors.

The reason for this is because females read more fiction than
males to the tune of about 85-90 percent while males read non-
fiction at about 60%. J.K. Rowling was able to get more male
children to read her books at some 45% and that trend in fiction
might translate through to older male readers.

Kathy you will sometime soon have to accept that you get slammed
because you seem unable to do minimal research with any degree
of accuracy. You find it easier to debunk just about anything
because it is easy to debunk. You take the path of least
resistance in every case.

>I usually put it down to a basic fear of male retribution. I
>imagine this is the dynamics within a Mormon household where
>there is more more than one wife. Best to keep one's head down
>and don't challenge the master.

Again with the same argument. It is a cop-out. There have been
plenty of great female researchers in this field, basically from
day one. Coral Lorenzen comes to mind. You can Google her,
Kathy. You might learn something.

>BTW, I haven't been reading the e-mails so I didn't know there
>was a hue and cry to toss me off the List. My reason for sending
>this e-mail to you directly if Errol has bent to pressure for a
>couple of people.

If there is a hue and cry to toss you off the List it is
probably because the rest of the listers are tired of your inane
yapping or your ability to align yourself with some of the
dumber explanations for the phenomenon while using your favorite
argument that no matter how stupid the explanation for the UFO
phenomenon that this is someone who is thinking outside of the
box.

Sometimes you can attribute thinking outside of the box to
people who's thought processes are so skewed that they can't
keep anything in a box to begin with.

Now you are veering from that argument to your being picked on
because you are a woman.

I don't think Errol has banned anyone because they could not get
their act together.

As for Fife Symington, he was another politician who used his
position of influence to make money. Apparently it didn't work
out _but_ he never went to prison. Most of the charges against
him were either hung juries, or not guilty but he was found
guilty on several counts, had to pay huge fines and then was
pardoned by Bill Clinton. He might have been arrested and spent
a few hours in jail until his bail hearing - but that was it.

Symington has never made a nickel off of his Phoenix sighting
claim - if anything it has probably further damaged an already
damaged reputation.

Claiming that you know better because you are from Arizona
doesn't cut it. Again, do your homework.


Don Ledger



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