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Re: Report From Lumberton NJ Witness 07-30-11

From: Robert Powell <rpowell.nul>
Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 19:49:05 -0500
Archived: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 05:50:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Report From Lumberton NJ Witness 07-30-11


>From: Gerald O'Connell<goc.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 22:05:55 +0100
>Subject: Re: Report From Lumberton NJ Witness 07-30-11

>>From: Robert Powell<rpowell.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 12:48:41 -0500
>>Subject: Re: Report From Lumberton NJ Witness 07-30-11

>>>From: Martin Shough<parcellular.nul>
>>>To:<post.nul>
>>>Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 15:06:45 +0100
>>>Subject: Re: Report From Lumberton NJ Witness 07-30-11

>>>>From: Peter Davenport<director.nul>
>>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto<post.nul>
>>>>Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:29:29 -0700
>>>>Subject: Report From Lumberton NJ Witness 07-30-11

>>>>This first object, after passing over me, vanished.

>>>>Within 10 seconds of the first object vanishing, I noticed a
>>>>second object, exact same characteristics; once again appear on
>>>>the northern horizon.

>>>This successive passage of identical lights on roughly the same
>>>course, bright red-orange in colour and described as "fireballs"
>>>which then "vanish", is typical of fire balloons or 'Thai
>>>lanterns' as anyone familiar with investigation or even casual
>>>reading of large numbers of  reports ought to know.

>>I agree with Martin. I've launched Chinese Lanterns and this
>>type of behavior that was observed by the witness is very
>>typical of Chinese Lanterns. The color, constant motion, and
>>appearing to "vanish" all point towards Chinese Lanterns. I can
>>understand the witnesses' confusion as to what they were
>>observing. If I had not seen how a Chinese Lantern behaves, I
>>would also have been confused when seeing one for the first
>>time.

>>>>It certainly took my breath away to see the shape, color and
>>>>rotation of the solid object as I illuminated it from below.
>>>A two-foot paper balloon 400 ft away would appear a little over
>>>1/4 degree across, as reported by the witness. It seems quite
>>>possible that his spotlight might illuminate it as it continued
>>>to drift away from him to the south until its internal air
>>>cooled.

>>>Both objects were travelling from north to south at a steady,
>>>not great, angular rate, about 2 deg/sec or less (45 sec from
>>>somewhere above the N horizon to almost overhead). Some of this
>>>rate would be real climb, some residue would be forward motion
>>>in a N-S direction. This suggests slow true speed. As does the
>>>fact that the second object was still within range of his
>>>spotlight after 3 minutes.

>>>The forecast for the New Jersey area that Saturday night,
>>>7/30/2011, was as described by the witrness - clear with a low of
>>>66 deg, and the forecast wind - which he does not mention - was
>>>light, from North to South.  See

>>>http://weathernj.blogspot.com/2011/07/nj-forecast-73011.html

>>The upper winds also varied from the north to north-northeast
>>between elevations of 290' to 4600'.

>Neither Martin nor Robert have commented on the reported
>rotation of the object. Does this fit the lantern scenario?

Gerald, if an object at night has a single light attached to it,
then the light should fade in and out as it rotates. A witness,
whether it is a UFO sighting or a car crash, will not get all of
the details correct. The direction of the object's movement, the
constant speed without change of direction, its slowness of
movement, and its color all point to a Chinese Lantern. The
witnesses' belief that the object may have been rotating is not
sufficient for me to discard the Chinese Lantern theory. I don't
fault the witness. That witness's description of what he saw is
actually much better that most that I have interviewed.

>Whenever I have seen these lanterns in flight they have had a
>characteristic pattern of movement: directionally constant, but
>with discernible dips and wobbles - just what you'd expect from
>an object being carried by the wind. Also, they tend to flicker
>and flare for few seconds followed by gradual dimming before the
>flame extinguishes. It would be interesting to check these
>points with the witness.

I have seen discernible dips and wobbles when the CL was close
to me. Once it was farther away (magnitude -4 to 0), the CL
moved smoothly. I am sure that depends on the wind currents. The
flickering is less noticeable as the CL moves away. They can
burn for several minutes. The ones that I launched did not
gradually dim but suddenly went out. Again, it probably depends
on various factors as to whether they dim out or suddenly lose
their flame.

>Perhaps PD will make the photos available for inspection and
>analysis...

The photo on the NUFORC site was only 14K in size so it was not
a full size copy of the original.



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