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Re: Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found

From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 16:13:16 +0100
Archived: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 16:20:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found


>From: Kentaro Mori <kentaro.mori.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 09:15:57 -0300
>Subject: Re: Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found

>>From: Michael Tarbell <mtarbell.nul>
>>To:  post.nul
>>Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 14:29:49 -0600
>>Subject: Re: Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found
><snip>

>>Assuming they were not colluding, is there any indication that
>>Barauna could have known, prior to boarding, about the alleged
>>previous sightings in the area and/or Bacellar's mission to
>>gather information about them?

>Yes. We do know that already in the trip to the Island there
>were many comments about the previous flying saucer sightings.
>Sources and details in our upcoming work.

A few years ago when I wanted an answer to Mike's question, and
when nobody was willing to share with me their copies of the
ship's log, I calculated from known time and distance informatiin
on the return trip and the speed and direction of ocean currents
that that it must have taken, conservatively, at least six days
to get to the island from Rio. Since she arrived on Jan14 this
would mean that she left Rio on Jan 07, or Jan 08.

I now have a copy of most of the ship's log, and as far as I can
tell the ship did indeed depart Rio on the morning of Jan 08, but
the more significant thing is that Barauna (with Amilar and
Viegas) is recorded coming aboard on the morning of Jan 07.
The first sighting on the island was on Dec 31 1957. It was
reported to the Navy High Command in Capt. Bacellar's radiogram
on that same date, Dec 31.

So Barauna was already on the ship one week after the very
_first_ incident _occurred on Trindade.

That Dec 31 radiogram "gave origin to the present [Navy]
investigation" according to Capt Brandao. (I'd still love to know
what was in that first radiogram.)  Pursuant to this, the Navy
High Command's first instruction to Bacellar to provide
"information on the phenomena observed and reported through the
Radio[gram]", was dated Jan 6. This was the start of the Navy
investigation leading up to Capt Brandao's intelligence report.

Barauna was already on the ship only _one_day_ after this.

Realistically, then, assuming that Barauna had a Navy contact
that could tip him off almost immediately to the sighting
mentioned in that first confidential radiogram (even before the
Navy had decided to take any special interest) he had only a few
days to experiment, plan the scenario of the hoax on the deck,
photograph his model and prepare his doctored bi-pack film rolls
(the only way to produce these photos in real time) by the night
of Jan 6 ready for embarkation the following morning. Is this
possible? - perhaps for a faker who by happy chance had an
appropriate hoax scenario already in preparation? Maybe, but I
don't think it's comfortable.

<snip>

>I admit that the idea of Bacellar being part of the hoax sounds
>absurd to me. That said, it's really bizarre that: he was the
>one who first claimed the UFO appeared in the negatives -
>contrary even to Barauna's first impression,

I find this amusing. I pointed this out in strong terms years ago
and wrote about it on my web pages. The argument used to be
(e.g., Tim Priinty) that this Bacellar person must have been
suggestible and would have thought any old seagull or speck of
dust on the negative was a flying saucer when the charismatic
Barauna told him there was one there.

Of course this misrepresented Capt Bacellar, who was not only a
Superior Navy Corps officer but a high technically-savvy engineer
responsible almost single-handedly for Brazil's upper atmsophere
meteorological study programme and for the building of the
Trindade Oceanographic Post of which he was also operational
Commander. It also misrepresented the situation because, as you
point out, far from hypnotising everybody with persuasive claims
Barauna came out and said he thought there was probably nothing
visible on the film at all. It was Capt Bacellar who made a
"careful examination" and showed Barauna that the object was
there.

>he was the one who
>tranquilized Barauna saying he could take the film home, he was
>the one who escorted Barauna to the Navy Secret Service,

You are neglecting what made Bacellar a special actor at the
centre of this drama: He was the man who had been instructed by
the Navy High Command to gather information on UFO incidents at
the island. He had the authority of rank, the further authority
of specific orders, the technical background, and the enormous
practical advantage that he was on the spot. He was expected to
do whatever he judged needed to be done, and he was "summoned" to
the Navy High Command Intelligence Department on Jan 27 to
"present his report" to Capt Brandao, which he did. He didn't
just pitch up there for fun.

>along with Barauna were the only two questioned witnesses who
>had their statements recorded for the favourable Intelligence
>Report,

I repeat, Capt Bacellar was the Navy's investigator on the spot.
He was given official responsibility. He was summoned to present
his findings in person to Capt Brandao so that the latter could
make an intelligence evaluation for his superiors. The latter's
report is an intelligence assessment based on _conclusions_
reached by the Navy's investigating agent on the spot. It does
not purport to contain all sources and background information
developed by Bacellar in the course of his investigations.

Brandao says "CC Bacellar brought to this High Command the man
who had taken the photographs". Barauna was interviewed and
handed over the negatives which Brandao sent out for technical
examinations. Brandao's report is also an intelligence assessment
based on information provided by Barauna and conclusions reached
by the technicians. It does not purport to contain all technical
information developed by the technicians in their examinations.

>and to me most puzzling of all, he gave a quite
>favourable statement to Cruzeiro magazine even after Barauna's
>previous hoax had been widely exposed in the press.

As you say, it strongly suggests that he had no reasonable doubt
about the sighting or Barauna's photographs. Even knowing that
Barauna was capable of trick shots, it seems that Bacellar's
inquiries on board, including the "careful inspection" he said he
made of those negatives after development, were very convincing
to him.

>Also: it seems the previous sightings were not seen by everyone
>on the Island. That is, rather than being a "common" phenomenon
>sighted several times in the Island by several different groups,
>the sightings actually happened only to some groups of people,
>while others were completely oblivious to them - even while
>knowing about the rumours. And Bacellar was the one who was in
>charge when most of the known sightings happened.

I have no idea what you are attempting to imply here. Can you
expand on the point?


Regards

Martin




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