UFO UpDates
A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena
'Its All Here In Black & White'
Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com > 2011 > Apr > Apr 25

Re: Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found

From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 15:26:48 +0100
Archived: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 11:16:44 -0400
Subject: Re: Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found

>From: Michael Tarbell <mtarbell.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 10:44:28 -0600
>Subject: Re: Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found

>>From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 23:05:20 +0100
>>Subject: Re: Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found

>>>From: Kentaro Mori <kentaro.mori.nul>
>>>To: post.nul
>>>Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 11:42:24 -0300
>>>Subject: Re: Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found


>>I should also add, having just seen your post about the new
>>"second negative witness" interviewed by Borges (the link
>>doesn't work for me, BTW)...


>I also had trouble tracking this down. If you haven't found it
>already, try the following (w/ Google translate as necessary):


Thanks, Mike. Yes, I did find it. Kentaro also kindly sent me a
corrected URL and Portuguese text off-list.

Kentaro was certainly right in describing some of Brito's claims
as "bombastic"!

Borges mentions that Lt Homero was a (claimed) crew witness.
Brito doesn't know anything about this, but dismisses him out of
hand as permanently drunk, a "wino".

Borges informs Brito that the official report mentions Navy
sightings on the island before ths ship arrived. Brito is, shall
we say, curt: "It's a lie."

Borges presses on, pointing out that Capt Bacellar is listed in
the Navy's own reports as having been involved in these

Brito dismisses Bacellar as a publicity-seeking liar: "It's a
lie. You know the story of five minutes of fame? Five minutes of
fame to be named in an encyclopedia published in articles."

But surely you can't be suggesting that Bacellar's official
report was a lie? prompts Borges.

Brito's answer is difficult to translate (Ca=EDram tudo. Nao teve.
Sinceramente, nao teve.) but appears to mean that it was all
messed up and they "had nothing".

Brito adds that if there had been any earlier sightings on the
island there would have been photographs. Borges tries him with
the story that a Navy Sgt did photograph an object on the island
(an unconfirmed rumour, as it happens, not part of the official
record; but Brito doesn't know that).
Brito is succinct: "Bullshit", he says.

Borges asks about Barauna's negatives being shown on board after
development as described in detail in the Navy intelligence

Brito says, "Nao mostrou negativo pra ningu=E9m, pelo
contr=E1rio", which I think means, "He didn't show negatives to
anyone, on the contrary".

Brito then goes on to claim that he was called by an Admiral
from navy Intelligence who said, "Carlos, if you can, get a look
at the negatives", but apparently Barauna proposed to do some
sort of treatment first (presumably the famous "clearing" or
reducing ; Brito says "I don't understand photography").

This bit about being on first-name terms with the Admiral is an
intriguing part of the story. Brito says that he was never
subject to the Navy order to the crew to keep quiet about the
sighting (as reported in the press at the time) because he was
in a different chain of command. "I was assigned to the
Almirante Saldanha as Intelligence. I worked directly with
Admiral Aristeas... every Navy ship had to have someone from
intelligence, one or two. The reason was that at that time the
Communist movement was emerging in Brazil too."

In other words Brito was apparently a "political". His job was
to spy and inform on possible communist subversives among the
crew. It's interesting to speculate on how this might have
affected his popularity with other ratings and his acceptance as
one of the crew. It would probably be a cliche to picture him as
an ostracised, mistrusted and embittered outsider.

One other point worth noting. Borges suggests that if the object
was in the sky for only 20 seconds (citing some newspaper) then
maybe this would explain why some people did not get to see it.

Brito responds to the effect that they only wrote 20 seconds
just to be able to say something; "What is 20 seconds? It is
nothing". An airliner would virtually disappear in 20 seconds,
he objects. They had more time, perhaps "a minute, a minute and
a half, or two minutes". But "it was a hoax, a conspiracy by a
handful of actors".

I hope I haven't made too many mistakes in translation and

Martin Shough

Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast



These contents above are copyright of the author and
UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced
without the express permission of both parties and
are intended for educational use only.

[ Next Message | Previous Message | This Day's Messages ]
This Month's Index |

UFO UpDates Main Index

UFO UpDates - Toronto - Operated by Errol Bruce-Knapp

Archive programming by Glenn Campbell at Glenn-Campbell.com