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Re: Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found

From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 11:26:03 +0100
Archived: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 08:11:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found


>From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 23:20:59 +0100
>Subject: Re: Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found

>>From: Kentaro Mori <kentaro.mori.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 17:33:33 -0300
>>Subject: Re: Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found

>>>From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
>>>To: <post.nul>
>>>Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 18:45:41 +0100
>>>Subject: Re: Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found

><snip>

>>>Similarly the fact that the Captain of the Almirante Saldanha
>>>told the US Assistant Naval Attache in 1958 that his own
>>>Executive Assistant, a Navy Commander, had himself seen it (the
>>>officer in question did not deny it when questioned), was I
>>>suspect considered by you a wholly negligible fact, presumably
>>>for similar reasons.

>>This is the Captain that later on published a book where he
>>mentions the Bermuda Triangle as a great mystery. He believed
>>in the sighting.

Dear List

I need to make a correction. In reply to Kentaro I wrote:

>This is interesting, Kentaro. When will you be free to post
>details of any source(s) you have discovered about Capt
>Saldanha da Gama's beliefs re the sighting?

<snip>

>As far as I know this is the only one of DaGama's books to
>concern itself with weird mysteries at sea (he wrote others
>about Naval history). And in it he didn't refer to the Trindade
>mystery at all. I think it's interesting and even a little
>surprising that this "gullible believer" didn't take the
>opportunity to at least mention having a role in Brazil's pre-
>eminent saucer sea mystery.

>If the fact that Da Gama wrote a Bermuda Triangle book in 1984
>is your evidence for characterising Da Gama in 1958 as a
>"believer" - and this is again the only evidence you cite -
>then I invite you to consider cause and effect.

I then concluded at length that

>Reasoning backwards from 1984 to his state of mind
>in January 1958 is a very dodgy business IMO.

It turns out to be dodgier even than I thought.

This book was first mentioned to me in September 2006 by a
respected European colleague known on this list.  I believe
Kentaro would have been made aware of it around the same time.
My informant mentioned how surprising it was that the book
contained not even a mention of the Trindade sighting, and I
tended to agree.

I have to admit that I was lax and didn't do anything to check
the information. There seemed no reason, and anyway it was in
Portuguese so I didn't expect I would ever read it..

Writing about this yesterday, something was bugging me about it.
I went and checked the image of the book's cover which I have on
file. Sure enough, there it was "Brasileiros no Sinistro
Tri=E2ngulo das Bermudas" by Arthur Oscar Saldanha da Gama. The
bugging got worse. I went back to the log of the ship, and
looked at the name of the man who signed off on it...

Jose Santos Saldanha da Gama.

Big mental head-slap! I just checked this out and found we have
all been barking up the wrong mizzen mast.

Brazilian sources tell of a legendary Admiral Saldanha da Gama
whose name appears to have cast a very long shadow over 20thC
Brazilian naval, extending to the name of the very ship in
question in the Trindade incident. His shadow also included two
sons, "brothers Saldanha da Gama, Jos=E9 dos Santos and Arthur
Oscar".

http://www.ahimtb.org.br/escolas.htm

In short, our Captain Saldanha da Gama did not _even_ author the
book 26 years later which Kentaro felt was damaging to his
credibility. Not only do we appear to have no evidence that he
was a "gullible believer" in 1958 (a conclusion ironically
consistent with the recent bitter recollections of the seaman
Brito, recalling that Barauna could count himself been lucky not
to have been keel-hauled [joke] by this no-nonsense
disciplinarian Da Gama!) we have no evidence that he was either
"gullible" or "a believer" at any time.

I add a footnote re the assertion that our real author did not
mention his brother's famous UFO incident of 26 years before. I
found this on a naval blog:

http://tinyurl.com/6l6ylsn

'Marcelo Tadeu said:

11 de agosto de 2009 =E0s 18:12 August 11, 2009 at 18:12 Tenho
"Brasileiros no Tri=E2ngulo das Bermudas", que apesar do nome, s=F3
tem uma hist=F3ria sobre este fen=F4meno, al=E9m daquela do OVNI sobre
a Ilha de Trindade avistado pela tripula=E7=E3o do ent=E3o Navio-
Escola Almirante Saldanha. Muito bom!'

[I have "Brazilians in the Bermuda Triangle," which despite its
name, has only a story about this phenomenon, beyond that of the
UFO over Trindade Island sighted by the crew of the ship then
Escola Almirante Saldanha. Very good!]

Perhaps Portuguese speakers on this List with access to the book
could take another look and check in case it does indeed contain
a reference?


Martin Shough




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