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Re: Second Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found

From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 08:43:20 -0500
Archived: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 07:31:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Second Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found


>From: Kentaro Mori <kentaro.mori.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 16:27:09 -0300
>Subject: Second Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found

>Fellow Brazilian researcher Alexandre Borges has just disclosed
>he located in January of this year another surviving witness,
>Jose Carlos Rigueira de Brito, who like Edson Jansen Ferreira,
>was a sailor aboard the Almirante Saldanha ship during the
>famous Trindade Island alleged UFO sighting in January 16, 1958.

<snip>

>"Actually, nobody saw anything, because nothing happened. What
>actually happened was collective hysteria. I was in [sala de
>armas] when Admiral Saldanha da Gama personally ordered me to go
>to the deck to help calm down the shouting. I was the [SP] in
>charge at the referred time. I saw nothing, only people pointing
>to the sky. All set up. Bacellar could not have seen anything,
>as a hoax was very crude."

>Asked by Borges if, when he arrived on deck, he remembered if
>any military fellow told him personally having seen the flying
>ucer, Brito answered:

>"Honestly? Nobody saw anything. People talked things like, 'Have
>you seen something?', then another said 'I didn't, I was fooling
>around, pointing upwards'. It's like that story where someone
>stops in the street, along with another person, and points to
>the sky, 'Look! Over there! Look!'. Soon, there are a dozen of
>people looking upwards and saying they saw something, when they
>actually have seen nothing. It's a kind of mass hysteria, that's
>what happened. They said 'Look over there! It's there! Now it's
>there!', but, it wasn't. I was talk with friends and I say that
>guy [Barauna] was a big hoaxer. Actually, he had luck, because
>Saldanha da Gama was a very strict man".

>Brito's testimony has a lot of other bombastic claims -
>including that lieutenant Homero, even if he claimed he saw
>something, was an alcoholic, that people used to smoke marijuana
>onboard the ship, that the cameras were confiscated afterwards -
>- but not Barauna's - or that there were 30, 40 people on deck
>at the time (but only around 8, 9 people joined Barauna in what
>he says was a hoax planned and set up).

>As all the other testimonial evidence in the Trindade case, it
>cannot be accepted prima facie.

I certainly agree with this last. We have retrospective
testimony appearing more than five decades after the fact from
informants who may or may not be grinding axes. Of course, as
I've noted elsewhere, debunkers would reject that testimony out
of hand as the product of self-serving memory tricks if the
informant were making a_pro-UFO claim. And we can imagine what
they would make of what are here called "other bombastic
claims." They would render the informant non-credible on the
spot.

That said, I think this discussion has been profoundly good for
everybody. I look forward to what A. J.'s colleague has to say,
and perhaps by then we can all draw some reasonable conclusion
about what may or may not have happened that day long ago.


Jerry Clark




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