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Re: Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found

From: A. J. Gevaerd - Revista UFO <aj.nul>
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 10:16:07 -0300
Archived: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 07:26:53 -0400
Subject: Re: Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found

>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 16:37:30 -0500
>Subject: Re: Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found

>>From: A. J. Gevaerd - Revista UFO <aj.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 10:55:29 -0300
>>Subject: Re: Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found


>This latest revelation, I'm afraid, pretty much defines "fiasco".


>>Petit has easily broken all info published against Trindade
>>Case's validity, including the most recent one, by Barauna's own
>>nephew, published in the magazine's website.

>>It will be interesting to see again that the new 'evidences' and
>>'testimonies' in this new attempt to discredit one of the most
>>serious Brazilian UFO cases feel down as easily as they are so
>>eagerly brought up. In a couple of week.

>I take this to mean, A. J., that Petit's research will be posted
>on this List within the next couple of weeks. I'm not entirely
>sure of your meaning here. If you would so be kind as to
>clarify, I'd appreciate it.

>I hope so. What we've been getting from Brazil on this List is
>one-sided and subject to some unsettlingly blatant biases. We
>need to hear both sides so that we can judge from actual
>evidence, not ideological agenda.

Yes, Jerry. Petit's investigation will be fully translated into
English and posted here. Unfortunately, our main UFO researcher,
Marco Antonio Petit, a disciple of Irene Granchi and a veteran
with almost 40 years of investigations, doesn't speak English
and cannot interact with this List.

I have, from time to time, translated a few parts of what the
Brazilian skeptics publish here to his knowledge. I have also
asked Thiago Ticchetti, who is in this List and also a member of
my team, to do the same. So far, Petit has many serious
corrections to make to the posts being published in the List, as
the ones referring to the real involvement of the Brazilian Navy
and the former president Juscelino Kubitschek with Trindade
photos, which are very far away from what the detractors of the
Trindade case think and publish.

I won't get involved in this debate at this time, as I have very
little time left while conducting some new projects (new trips
to the Amazon to investigate new cases, to start next May 11th),
and also because I understand what the reasons for such
debunking are - and they aren't worth of time consuming for me.
There is much better things to do.

Petit wouldn't want get involved in that to, as he also knows
what fuels such 10-year effort in having this case down -
actually, everyone in Brazil sees that. But he has agreed to do
so when I asked because he also realizes that nobody else knows
so much about the case as him. In a few weeks he will come up
with all the necessary corrections to this new attempt and
simply break the new "facts" as he has done before. It will be
interesting to see how weak some skeptic assumptions are.

It would be tragic, if it wasn't funny, to see what sort of
information skeptics consider "evidence" and what type of
witness testimonies they consider "legitimate" in their effort
to destroy a case. For much less than that they have danced on
other people's investigations.

However, it is very important to say, at this point, that
Brazilian Ufology is much, much more than what has circulated in
some circles. While some people have spend 10 years relentlessly
trying to destroy a case, even though using the weakest
testimonies and information, many other productive and positive
UFO researchers spent that same amount of time to investigate
new great cases. There is a growing number of good
investigations of great cases down here, and that is what

Lots have been achieved in Brazil and even the Brazilian
Government and the Air Force acknowledged UFOs when they opened
some 5,000 pages of amazing documents - and yet, this doesn't
seem to change some people views. Right now, these 5,000 pages
and hundreds of pictures are at the National Archives in
Brasilia for anyone to see. They reveal information that is much
beyond any type of debunking. This is positive Ufology, Jerry,
as you know it. Actually, it was this kind of Ufology in my
country who made these files to be opened, as I published here
in the past.

I wish you all a happy Easter!

A. J.

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