From: A. J. Gevaerd - Revista UFO <aj.nul> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 10:16:07 -0300 Archived: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 07:26:53 -0400 Subject: Re: Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found >From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul> >To: <post.nul> >Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 16:37:30 -0500 >Subject: Re: Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found >>From: A. J. Gevaerd - Revista UFO <aj.nul> >>To: <post.nul> >>Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 10:55:29 -0300 >>Subject: Re: Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found ><snip> >This latest revelation, I'm afraid, pretty much defines "fiasco". ><snip> >>Petit has easily broken all info published against Trindade >>Case's validity, including the most recent one, by Barauna's own >>nephew, published in the magazine's website. >>It will be interesting to see again that the new 'evidences' and >>'testimonies' in this new attempt to discredit one of the most >>serious Brazilian UFO cases feel down as easily as they are so >>eagerly brought up. In a couple of week. >I take this to mean, A. J., that Petit's research will be posted >on this List within the next couple of weeks. I'm not entirely >sure of your meaning here. If you would so be kind as to >clarify, I'd appreciate it. >I hope so. What we've been getting from Brazil on this List is >one-sided and subject to some unsettlingly blatant biases. We >need to hear both sides so that we can judge from actual >evidence, not ideological agenda. Yes, Jerry. Petit's investigation will be fully translated into English and posted here. Unfortunately, our main UFO researcher, Marco Antonio Petit, a disciple of Irene Granchi and a veteran with almost 40 years of investigations, doesn't speak English and cannot interact with this List. I have, from time to time, translated a few parts of what the Brazilian skeptics publish here to his knowledge. I have also asked Thiago Ticchetti, who is in this List and also a member of my team, to do the same. So far, Petit has many serious corrections to make to the posts being published in the List, as the ones referring to the real involvement of the Brazilian Navy and the former president Juscelino Kubitschek with Trindade photos, which are very far away from what the detractors of the Trindade case think and publish. I won't get involved in this debate at this time, as I have very little time left while conducting some new projects (new trips to the Amazon to investigate new cases, to start next May 11th), and also because I understand what the reasons for such debunking are - and they aren't worth of time consuming for me. There is much better things to do. Petit wouldn't want get involved in that to, as he also knows what fuels such 10-year effort in having this case down - actually, everyone in Brazil sees that. But he has agreed to do so when I asked because he also realizes that nobody else knows so much about the case as him. In a few weeks he will come up with all the necessary corrections to this new attempt and simply break the new "facts" as he has done before. It will be interesting to see how weak some skeptic assumptions are. It would be tragic, if it wasn't funny, to see what sort of information skeptics consider "evidence" and what type of witness testimonies they consider "legitimate" in their effort to destroy a case. For much less than that they have danced on other people's investigations. However, it is very important to say, at this point, that Brazilian Ufology is much, much more than what has circulated in some circles. While some people have spend 10 years relentlessly trying to destroy a case, even though using the weakest testimonies and information, many other productive and positive UFO researchers spent that same amount of time to investigate new great cases. There is a growing number of good investigations of great cases down here, and that is what counts. Lots have been achieved in Brazil and even the Brazilian Government and the Air Force acknowledged UFOs when they opened some 5,000 pages of amazing documents - and yet, this doesn't seem to change some people views. Right now, these 5,000 pages and hundreds of pictures are at the National Archives in Brasilia for anyone to see. They reveal information that is much beyond any type of debunking. This is positive Ufology, Jerry, as you know it. Actually, it was this kind of Ufology in my country who made these files to be opened, as I published here in the past. I wish you all a happy Easter! A. J. Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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