From: Michael Tarbell <mtarbell.nul> Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 16:39:46 -0600 Archived: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 06:48:38 -0400 Subject: Re: Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found >From: Kentaro Mori <kentaro.mori.nul> >To: post.nul >Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 11:42:24 -0300 >Subject: Re: Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found <snip> >The testimonial evidence is extremely dubious. So, if one sticks >to the physical evidence, as they should, well, there are also >giant holes there, so much so that many who defended all the >details of Barauna story now concede that the photos could have >been hoaxed. But a sighting happened. >Well, a sighting happened indeed, but one so ordinary that we >can only come to the conclusion that Trindade is indeed one of >the biggest fiascos in Ufology. Hello Kentaro, I generally find us in agreement, but as with the other recent 'developments' in this case, i.e., the 50+ year delayed (and contradictory) revelations from nephew Ribiero and 'family friend' Bittencourt, I'm somewhat surprised at the level of significance you attach to this. Suppose that Jansen's long-delayed ('nobody bothered to ask me') account is credible. I agree this would be cause for concern, but (1) it doesn't establish that others didn't see the object, only that _he_ didn't; and (2) it's one input among several of ostensibly equal weight. As Jansen himself puts it: "There. It's my word against his." Actually, it's his word against _multiple_ others. There's apparently no dispute that there was some commotion on deck, with multiple people at least behaving as if they were seeing something remarkable in the sky. Can we seriously suppose that, after the fact, no one (including Naval Intelligence) would have considered it noteworthy that the only people pointing up in the sky and making a ruckus were those three clowns from the diving club? Obviously such antics could "induce" bystanders to look up into the sky, but it is another matter entirely to induce them to actually see, even point at, a non-existent object, then get them to agree afterwards that it looked just like the object in a photo that Barauna had fabricated beforehand. It strikes me as vastly more plausible that these other 'witnesses' were simply co-conspirators (which I do not rule out). But as long as we're speculating, one could as well suppose that Jansen has ever since resented the fact that he never saw the object, and now that there's no one left to contradict him, he's claiming that the deckhands were all manipulated into a group hallucination. I agree that the testimonial evidence in this case is dubious, including Jansen's. New revelations from individuals coming out of decades-long hibernation are particularly so. Not to trivialize or discourage your research, I think the only testimony that would significantly sway opinion at this point would be from a co-conspirator with an airtight account of _how_ the hoax was executed. That all said, I concede that for my own part I also suspect a hoax, if not for very good reasons, and indeed not for any of the reasons you've proposed, aside from the observation that Barauna had (and even demonstrated) both the skill and inclination to perpetrate one. As you suggest above, I'm trying to stick to the physical evidence, and I think the clues are in the photos themselves, although as yet I'm unable to quantify what troubles me about them. In the meantime I note, with interest but not undue excitement, this latest input from Jansen. I look forward to whatever additional material you may present. BTW, in your post you say that Barauna claimed 150 people saw the object. What is the source for this? In a written statement he made in January 1967, Barauna estimated that "around 50 people" were on deck. Regards Mike Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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