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Re: Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found

From: Michael Tarbell <mtarbell.nul>
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 16:39:46 -0600
Archived: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 06:48:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found


>From: Kentaro Mori <kentaro.mori.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 11:42:24 -0300
>Subject: Re: Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found

<snip>

>The testimonial evidence is extremely dubious. So, if one sticks
>to the physical evidence, as they should, well, there are also
>giant holes there, so much so that many who defended all the
>details of Barauna story now concede that the photos could have
>been hoaxed. But a sighting happened.

>Well, a sighting happened indeed, but one so ordinary that we
>can only come to the conclusion that Trindade is indeed one of
>the biggest fiascos in Ufology.


Hello Kentaro,

I generally find us in agreement, but as with the other recent
'developments' in this case, i.e., the 50+ year delayed (and
contradictory) revelations from nephew Ribiero and 'family
friend' Bittencourt, I'm somewhat surprised at the level of
significance you attach to this.

Suppose that Jansen's long-delayed ('nobody bothered to ask me')
account is credible. I agree this would be cause for concern,
but (1) it doesn't establish that others didn't see the object,
only that _he_ didn't; and (2) it's one input among several of
ostensibly equal weight. As Jansen himself puts it: "There. It's
my word against his." Actually, it's his word against _multiple_
others.

There's apparently no dispute that there was some commotion on
deck, with multiple people at least behaving as if they were
seeing something remarkable in the sky. Can we seriously suppose
that, after the fact, no one (including Naval Intelligence)
would have considered it noteworthy that the only people
pointing up in the sky and making a ruckus were those three
clowns from the diving club?

Obviously such antics could "induce" bystanders to look up into
the sky, but it is another matter entirely to induce them to
actually see, even point at, a non-existent object, then get
them to agree afterwards that it looked just like the object in
a photo that Barauna had fabricated beforehand. It strikes me as
vastly more plausible that these other 'witnesses' were simply
co-conspirators (which I do not rule out).

But as long as we're speculating, one could as well suppose that
Jansen has ever since resented the fact that he never saw the
object, and now that there's no one left to contradict him, he's
claiming that the deckhands were all manipulated into a group
hallucination.

I agree that the testimonial evidence in this case is dubious,
including Jansen's. New revelations from individuals coming out
of decades-long hibernation are particularly so. Not to
trivialize or discourage your research, I think the only
testimony that would significantly sway opinion at this point
would be from a co-conspirator with an airtight account of _how_
the hoax was executed.

That all said, I concede that for my own part I also suspect a
hoax, if not for very good reasons, and indeed not for any of
the reasons you've proposed, aside from the observation that
Barauna had (and even demonstrated) both the skill and
inclination to perpetrate one.

As you suggest above, I'm trying to stick to the physical
evidence, and I think the clues are in the photos themselves,
although as yet I'm unable to quantify what troubles me about
them. In the meantime I note, with interest but not undue
excitement, this latest input from Jansen. I look forward to
whatever additional material you may present.

BTW, in your post you say that Barauna claimed 150 people saw
the object. What is the source for this? In a written statement
he made in January 1967, Barauna estimated that "around 50
people" were on deck.


Regards

Mike




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