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Re: Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found

From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 09:40:42 -0500
Archived: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 06:41:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found


>From: John Rimmer <johnrimmer.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 19:31:23 +0100 (BST)
>Subject: Re: Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found

>>From: Gerald O'Connell <goc.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 22:26:37 +0100
>>Subject: Re: Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found

>>>From: John Rimmer <johnrimmer.nul>
>>>To: post.nul
>>>Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 16:34:55 +0100 (BST)
>>>Subject: Re: Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found

<snip>

>You claim: "We have a witness to the effect that crewmen and
>others saw something, and they didn't know what it was."

<snip>

This, I surmise, is what may have happened in reality:

The Negative Witness (hereafter NW) had/has no interest in UFOs,
or even held/holds the subject in something bordering on
contempt (explaining his bizarre ignorance of the persistence of
this deeply and repeatedly publicized case). When alerted that
something was being seen, he briefly appeared on the scene,
confident that he would see nothing, and made no effort to make
out the small image against the big sky. Those of us who,
because we live in a rural area, have an uncluttered aerial view
- something a native of a huge metropolis would know nothing
about, though it wouldn't stop him from pontificating as if he
did - know how hard it can be sometimes to discern a passing
aircraft against a broad sky.

All that NW has succeeded in doing in confirming that something,
as opposed to nothing (the standard debunker narrative),
happened that day, it got people excited, it had something to do
with a perceived UFO, and it conforms in broad outline to the
standard picture.

All that debunkers have left from the testimony is the number of
alleged witnesses. In memory NW has narrowed them to a handful.
A good dose of skepticism should be applied here, of course. As
debunkers often remind us, memory can play tricks and cause us
to 'remember' details that suit our convenience. It suited NW's
convenience, unconsciously or consciously, to recall as few
onlookers as possible, thus to reduce his cognitive dissonance.

NW, who probably should be called PW (Positive Witness),
undercuts the beloved debunker belief that nothing happened on
the ship, where in fact, apparently, people were excited about
the presence of something. This won't stop debunkers from
frantic revisionist rationalizations (e.g., the dependable
Rimmer).

Listfolk will be amused to learn that debunkers have abruptly
revised something else: their sudden conversion to the belief
that memory continues to reliable not just over days or weeks or
months or years but _decades_ (50+ in the current instance).
Let's make a point of reminding them of that every time they try
to destroy witness testimony by hauling in the vagaries of
memory. And they will try again, we may be sure. Their beliefs
are enormously elastic.

Meantime, the rest of us are where we always were: awaiting
developments which, we hope, will settle the matter one way or
another. In common with other non-ideologues on this List, I
don't know where the truth lies, except that it's somewhere in
the evidence. Maybe when it's all - or as much of it as is
recoverable - available, the picture, literal and figurative,
will be clearer.


Jerry Clark



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