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Re: Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found

From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 08:10:16 -0500
Archived: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 10:05:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found


>From: John Rimmer <johnrimmer.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 23:34:42 +0100 (BST)
>ubject: Re: Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found

>>From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 18:45:41 +0100
>>Subject: Re: Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found

>>>From: John Rimmer <johnrimmer.nul>
>>>To: post.nul
>>>Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 16:34:55 +0100 (BST)
>>>Subject: Re: Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found

>>>>From: Kentaro Mori <kentaro.mori.nul>
>>>>To: post.nul
>>>>Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 10:30:51 -0300
>>>>Subject: Trindade 'Negative Witness' Found

>>>Game, set and match.

>>John,

>>Do you mean that the question of whether any Navy crew witnesses
>>saw the object, apart from Barauna and his civilian companions,
>>has at last been answered - in the negative? And is it your
>>conclusion that, therefore, an object allegedly seen only by
>>Barauna and those often charmingly referred to as his "cronies"
>>never existed?

<snip>

>Gosh, what a long question[,] Martin.

In other words, you're not even going to try to argue with
somebody who knows what he's talking about.

>As you might have guessed by
>now, and from my response to dear Alfredo, my comment was
>largely aimed at Jerry Clark who, for what seems like a hundred
>years, has been droning on about the necessaity of finding a
>'negative' witness.

And I guess I will have to continue to do so, after it turns out
that the current informant doesn't qualify. It would have
helped, John, if you'd actually read what he was saying.

>I of course have been claiming for about the same length of time
>that there are unlikely ever to be any, because who would
>particularly be bothered making a big point of not seeing
>anything.

Which wildly misrepresents what I was saying, what you said, and
what the discussion was about. Let us take a refresher course in
the memory you apparently have lost:

In fact, I argued that given the intense publicity the Trindade
case got in Brazil, not to mention around the world, it was
indeed strange, perhaps even telling, that in all those years
nobody on the ship had come forward to validate the hoax theory
- which has always been that nothing happened, nobody had seen
what he believed to be a UFO, that the photographer fixed it up
and made up a story to fit.

If that was the case, any number of people who were there could
have blown the whistle. One can imagine how much a Brazilian
newspaper or television show would have loved to shoot down the
biggest UFO story in the nation's history. The informant could
have even sold his tale and received a nice check for his
efforts. Instead, silence.

For many years afterwards, as the story continued to be
publicized, those whistle-blowers, alive and well, could have
stepped forward. John knew better than to argue that they were
surely all dead, because they weren't.

Now, somebody steps forward to acknowledge that people on the
ship believed they had seen something and were quite excited
about it. He just didn't see it himself and speaks only for
himself. Okay, he didn't see it, but something - not nothing -
happened, in the way that some of us miss seeing something,
apparent to others, against the sky. No big thing, except to
eager debunkers a flea has become an elephant.

Incidentally, can you imagine how debunkers would have reacted
to the testimony of an old man decades after the fact if he had
made a _positive_ pro-UFO claim?

That's a rhetorical question.


Jerry Clark




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