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Re: Symbols Revealed As Evidence Of Alien Abduction

From: John Velez <jvelez49.nul>
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 00:11:12 -0400
Archived: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 07:29:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Symbols Revealed As Evidence Of Alien Abduction

>From: Alfred Lehmberg <alienview.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 09:27:51 -0500
>Subject: Re: Symbols Revealed As Evidence Of Alien Abduction

>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 07:19:07 -0500
>>Subject: Re: Symbols Revealed As Evidence Of Alien Abduction

>>>From: John Rimmer <johnrimmer.nul>
>>>To: post.nul
>>>Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 12:38:01 +0100 (BST)
>>>Subject: Re: Symbols Revealed As Evidence Of Alien Abduction

>>>>From: Carol Rainey <csrainey2.nul>
>>>>To: post.nul
>>>>Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 14:32:12 -0400
>>>>Subject: New Video: Symbols Revealed As Evidence Of Alien Abduction

>>>>Just posted a new 12 minute video on April 19th:

>>>>Symbols Revealed By Budd Hopkins As Evidence Of Alien

>>>>The newest (#4) in a series of excerpts from the documentary
>>>>"Priests of High Strangeness: Co-Creation of the Alien Abduction

>>>Gets popcorn and waits for show to begin.

Hello Alfred, Jerry, All,

I have been trying real hard to stay out of this disgusting
thread. I'm responding only because I've just about had it with
a discussion that the participants should be embarrassed about
being a part of.

Need to clear the air if I may:

Jerry wrote:

>>Falls asleep in front of screen as he waits for next reality
>>show starring embittered ex-spouse.

That comment is as gut-level honest and accurate a depiction of
this entire affair as can be offered by anyone. I got called a
"sexist" for making the exact same observation and arriving at
the same conclusion earlier on in the proceedings. Mind you, of
all the very vocal participants in this thread, it is only Jerry
(and myself) who actually _know_ Budd and Carol and for many

How well do you know either of these individuals? I don't know
about you, but it might be wise to at least lend a little
weight/credence to comments/observations being made by people
who are speaking from long-term first hand knowledge of both
parties involved.

Alfred asks:

>Even presuming this touted embitteredness, the question is
>begged with regard to a reason for it eh?

You're kidding, right?

Let me see now, reasons why divorced spouses may be embittered
and vengeful... do we have enough bandwidth for me to list all
of the possible reasons?

None of us will ever know for sure what the reasons may be
simply because we were not privy to goings on in the private
marital relationship between Budd and Carol. But if guesses
are on the menu I can proffer several reasons that are all
based on past history and what we know of human nature.

How about 'revenge' for some unknown, unspoken personal

How about plain vanilla 'mean-spiritedness.' There are some
angry, frustrated campers out there who are not beyond petty
vindictive acts and even sabotage of another person's life.

It's been known to happen.

And you're an intelligent enough man to have sussed out the two
explanations I provided on your own. I'm surprised you even

>Kevin Randle erodes "Dora" effectively... Rainey de-
>substantiates "Cortile"... and I make _short_ work of
>"Mortellaro," myself.

Oh Alfred, why do you go there?

1. You - more than most - bought Mortellaro's line of BS hook,
line and sinker. I tried to warn you about him. You made your
choice at the time and you backed that horse with everything in
your purse. You were as certain and energetic in your defense of
Mortellaro then - someone I knew better than you and tried to
warn you about - as you are about Carol Rainey now. Well, you
don't know her either and again, I do!

You don't want to lose this bet too do you?

I already wrote to you privately. I know you're a champion
of the weak and downtrodden, but you really need to make
a little room for what, Johnny and Uncle Jerry are saying
about all this nasty business.

A man should be allowed/granted his privacy and dignity at
the end of his days. I'm really surprised that I even have to
state this simple thing. I just can't begin to express how
very sad, embarrassing and distasteful this entire affair is.
It pains me greatly to read the running dialog in these threads.

>No one is more revolted than myself.

That's not true, Alfred. No one is as revolted and saddened
as myself. Mine is for the aforementioned reasons. In the
name of common decency, let this awful thread die.

Regarding the 'Alien' writing samples:

I don't care how much video Ms. Rainey may have, I was one of
about a dozen abductees that provided Budd with the writing
samples he had acquired over 20 years.

When I produced those characters/glyphs for him, I didn't know
that any others existed. I drew the glyphs for him and it was
only afterwards that he told me of the existance of the other
samples. I was reduced to tears when he showed me some of the
others. There were symbols on those pages that were identical to
the ones I had just drawn. Some of those samples had been
produced years before I did mine. Yet they were identical. It
was one of many such discoveries that I made along the way that
served to reinforce the reality of what me and my family were

Say what you will. I'm a part of that evidence... And I don't
care what kind of 'spin' Carol wants to put on it. I knew
nothing about the existance of alien writing samples that Budd
had in his possession before it came up in my own recollections.

I've said all I have to say. I'm out. Hopefully for good this
time. I really don't need the grief ufology and many of the
people in it these days makes me feel. Gives me agida... burp!

Most sincerely,

John Velez
Former Webmaster
Intruders Foundation (8 years!)

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