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Re: Again The ETH Is A Scam

From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 13:36:36 -0300
Archived: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 07:53:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Again The ETH Is A Scam


>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:49:16 -0500
>Subject: Re: Again The ETH Is A Scam

>>From: Jeff Ritzmann <jeff.ritzmann.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 11:45:31 -0400
>>Subject: Re: Again The ETH Is A Scam

<snip>

>>Greg is precisely correct about the reaction to ETH opposition -
>>and Jerry, with all due respect sir, if you think otherwise
>>you're completely out of touch. I don't think we're speaking in
>>terms exclusive of researchers, but in terms of public view and
>>reaction. (right Greg?) But, some researchers too, can be and
>>are just as closed to the notion that we're not talking about
>>spacemen. Try bringing up non-nuts and bolts issues to these
>>folks and watch what you get.

>Oh, boy.

>As I wrote in a follow-up message (unposted as I write these
>words), the ETH is widely mistaken for the consensus view of
>ufologists because non-ufologists who deal with it on cable TV
>and in popular culture always make that equation.  For one
>thing, they know no better, and for another, the real
>complexities of the phenomenon are hard to portray for the
>casually interested.

>That's the good pro-ufologist news: it's not their fault. As for
>the bad, a great many ufologists pay no attention to
>developments in planetary science and exobiology which, if they
>were sympathetic to the ETH, they would find exciting and
>revelatory. Thus, they have no clue how the ETH and modern
>astronomy are less in conflict than they ever were.

>For reasons that sometimes make little sense, many people within
>the UFO subculture remain as hostile to the ETH as they were
>when Vallee and Keel first appeared on the scene seeking
>occultish counter-narratives. ETH-phobes can be extraordinarily
>close-minded, even emotional, about it, and - as I know from a
>lot of personal experience - loudly displeased with those who
>deem the ETH an entirely reasonable approach even when those
>persons stress that the ETH is not certainty but hypothesis.

>If there is one thing I am not, by the way, it is "completely
>out of touch." The fact that your argument depends on that
>dubious charge does not do it
>credit.

>>This nasty reaction of alternate ideas isn't new, but might be
>>based on who is "center stage" as far as popular view - and
>>right now the exopolitics bunch is getting the most mainstream
>>attention. And, again, I can tell you from personal experience,
>>that crowd doesn't like the notion that this may not be
>>extraterrestrials.

>Oh, really? The Exopolitics crowd has nothing to do with the
>ETH, which is not a hypothesis for it any more than contactee
>conjecture about ETs is a mere hypothesis. Let me stress again.
>Everybody who discusses ET is not talking about an ET
>Hypothesis. Contactees and exopoliticians consider the presence
>of ETs a fact, not a scientifically based speculation.


Hi Jerry,

A lot of these reports end up solved but a good 25% or more
don't. When one factors in the behavior and the technology
involved it brings up the questions; who and from where?

Since the Top Secret, Earth based technology has never worked
(it has been bandied about for about 70 years with no resolution
after all) except for those who don't have any real knowledge of
what's really in the aresenals of the world; and no other
sensible solution has come along to fit the bill, we are usually
left asking if this phenomenon is from some extraterrestrial
source.

Resistance to this ET 'hypothesis' is usually based on some mind
set that can't accept the possibility of this being the case for
spiritual, political reasons or due to a fear of the unknown.
Hence we see the usual turnip thrown out; why would any
extraterrestrial species come all the way to Earth from their
planet to do anal probes? Whether this is a ploy or just plain
ignorance is in question but it asks the wrong question based on
faulty and short sighted reasoning that implies that this is one
planet interacting with another planet rather than this being
some ancient and still ongoing process involving intelligence
that does what it does as part of a project that is
dispassionate by its nature and interesting to those doing the
obsrvations and experiments or whatever.


Don Ledger




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