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Re: Again The ETH Is A Scam

From: Jeff Ritzmann <jeff.ritzmann.nul>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 11:45:31 -0400
Archived: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 07:43:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Again The ETH Is A Scam


>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:52:34 -0500
>Subject: Re: Again The ETH Is A Scam

>>From: Greg Boone <Evolbaby.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 00:19:39 EDT
>>Subject: Re: Again The ETH Is A Scam

<snip>

>Nowadays if you don't support the ETH and it's offspring you get
>lambasted but I remember when supporting the ETH and any related
>matters would get you tossed into a psychiatric hospital, fired,
>beaten up and ostracized.

>Opposition to the ETH has been pretty much arguably, the
>mainstream position in ufology since the heyday of Jacques
>Vallee and John Keel. So has the rhetorical trope that one has
>made oneself a martyr by opposing the ETH.

>But in your case, Greg, you don't even seem to grasp what the
>ETH is or what it's based upon. Perhaps it's a subject you ought
>just to let be.


>Jerry Clark

Greg is precisely correct about the reaction to ETH opposition -
and Jerry, with all due respect sir, if you think otherwise
you're completely out of touch. I don't think we're speaking in
terms exclusive of researchers, but in terms of public view and
reaction. (right Greg?) But, some researchers too, can be and
are just as closed to the notion that we're not talking about
spacemen. Try bringing up non-nuts and bolts issues to these
folks and watch what you get.

This nasty reaction of alternate ideas isn't new, but might be
based on who is "center stage" as far as popular view  - and
right now the exopolitics bunch is getting the most mainstream
attention. And, again, I can tell you from personal experience,
that crowd doesn't like the notion that this may not be
extraterrestrials.

At a gathering in DC, my broadcast partner Jeremy Vaeni stood up
and asked the speaking panel what evidence was there that
solidified this as an ET based phenomenon - and how one could
build a foundation of protocol based on a theory? (at best).

The crowd got extremely aghast, with more than one attendee
saying "what the hell are you here for?" Stephen Bassett then
went on to proclaim it was confirmed extraterrestrials at high
volume (among other vernaculars of alleged "fact") as he pounded
his fist into his hand. Bassett also said he'd debate this
anytime, anyplace, and anywhere.

As he's on this List, perhaps we could find out just how the
hell he's got the answers. Same old thing: people who have
elevated themselves in ufology to a position of public influence
spouting unfounded proclamations.

Now we can easily say exopols don't represent the whole and
that's true. However to most of the interested UFO public, this
is still the end-all answer to their own wish fulfillment. It
then morphs into belief, and we all know what happens after
that. There's no talking sense.

So Greg - You're absolutely right about the opposition - it's
venomous reactions to a belief system being questioned, and one
that doesn't seem to represent the data very well in my opinion.
There may not be, as Jerry has said, one unified answer - but
any questioning of the status quo of theories quickly earns you
the ire of many.

Thankfully, there are those open to abstract views and the
complexities within this phenomenon, willing to question.


Jeff Ritzmann



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