From: Jeff Ritzmann <jeff.ritzmann.nul> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 11:45:31 -0400 Archived: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 07:43:01 -0400 Subject: Re: Again The ETH Is A Scam >From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul> >To: <post.nul> >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:52:34 -0500 >Subject: Re: Again The ETH Is A Scam >>From: Greg Boone <Evolbaby.nul> >>To: post.nul >>Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 00:19:39 EDT >>Subject: Re: Again The ETH Is A Scam <snip> >Nowadays if you don't support the ETH and it's offspring you get >lambasted but I remember when supporting the ETH and any related >matters would get you tossed into a psychiatric hospital, fired, >beaten up and ostracized. >Opposition to the ETH has been pretty much arguably, the >mainstream position in ufology since the heyday of Jacques >Vallee and John Keel. So has the rhetorical trope that one has >made oneself a martyr by opposing the ETH. >But in your case, Greg, you don't even seem to grasp what the >ETH is or what it's based upon. Perhaps it's a subject you ought >just to let be. >Jerry Clark Greg is precisely correct about the reaction to ETH opposition - and Jerry, with all due respect sir, if you think otherwise you're completely out of touch. I don't think we're speaking in terms exclusive of researchers, but in terms of public view and reaction. (right Greg?) But, some researchers too, can be and are just as closed to the notion that we're not talking about spacemen. Try bringing up non-nuts and bolts issues to these folks and watch what you get. This nasty reaction of alternate ideas isn't new, but might be based on who is "center stage" as far as popular view - and right now the exopolitics bunch is getting the most mainstream attention. And, again, I can tell you from personal experience, that crowd doesn't like the notion that this may not be extraterrestrials. At a gathering in DC, my broadcast partner Jeremy Vaeni stood up and asked the speaking panel what evidence was there that solidified this as an ET based phenomenon - and how one could build a foundation of protocol based on a theory? (at best). The crowd got extremely aghast, with more than one attendee saying "what the hell are you here for?" Stephen Bassett then went on to proclaim it was confirmed extraterrestrials at high volume (among other vernaculars of alleged "fact") as he pounded his fist into his hand. Bassett also said he'd debate this anytime, anyplace, and anywhere. As he's on this List, perhaps we could find out just how the hell he's got the answers. Same old thing: people who have elevated themselves in ufology to a position of public influence spouting unfounded proclamations. Now we can easily say exopols don't represent the whole and that's true. However to most of the interested UFO public, this is still the end-all answer to their own wish fulfillment. It then morphs into belief, and we all know what happens after that. There's no talking sense. So Greg - You're absolutely right about the opposition - it's venomous reactions to a belief system being questioned, and one that doesn't seem to represent the data very well in my opinion. There may not be, as Jerry has said, one unified answer - but any questioning of the status quo of theories quickly earns you the ire of many. Thankfully, there are those open to abstract views and the complexities within this phenomenon, willing to question. Jeff Ritzmann Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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