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Re: Greer's C-Seti In Rio Rico

From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 16:40:48 -0300
Archived: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 17:58:58 -0400
Subject: Re: Greer's C-Seti In Rio Rico

>From: Kathy Kasten <catraja.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 18:44:32 +0000
>Subject: Re: Greer's C-Seti In Rio Rico

>>Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:17:56 -0400
>>To: ufo-updates-list.nul
>>From: post.nul
>>Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Greer's C-Seti In Rio Rico

>>From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 14:01:12 -0300
>>Subject: Re: Greer's C-Seti In Rio Rico


>>ICAO standard light is, red-left, green-right, white to the
>>rear. Each light must display 120 degrees (covering the full
>>360). They don't have to strobe or flash - that is done to
>>heighten the aircraft's visibiliy.

>Yeah, it is the reason I pointed out the
>lights were all red and not rotating.

>>Red lights on the bottom must strobe and are required for night
>>flying or Instrument Flight Rules. This configuration allows the
>>pilot in a closing aircraft to determine his or her orientation
>>to the aircraft approached. It is obvious then why standard
>>lighting must prevail.

>>The only thing I can think of that close to the border is one of
>>the 2 UAVs the Arizona State government purchased for border
>>control. But displaying four red lights is still illegal and

>Don, this is the desert Southwest. The wild west where it is
>legal to carry a gun in holster into a bar or restaurant.
>Possibly I was watching a drug cartel plane flying up to Tucson.

Drug airplanes don't display lights. As for it being Arizona,
that state doesn't determine what lights have to be displayed by
aircraft. It's Federal Aviation Agency's responsibility. Arizona
has no say in it.

>What about Davis-Monthan AFB and the type of craft they may be
>flying - testing for Raytheon. I believe I stated that the
>aircraft was very noisy, as opposed to the almost silent flight
>of UAVs. So, no, it was not one of the two UAVs owned by the
>State of Arizona. However, it might be one of the Feds support

They still display the usual lights. In fact if it is secret
testin it would behoove them to display standard nav lights to
ward of suspicion. Fed support craft as well display
conventional lighting.

>>Rio Rico is about 9 miles North of the border so I suspect you
>>are located anywhere around that perimeter that allows you to be
>>20-miles from the city without being in Mexico. You didn't say
>>what direction Rio Rico was from your position.

>I am 29 minutes north of Rio Rico which is a few miles south of

>>Rio Rico is sandwiched between the Fuzzy MOA ~ 9 miles to the
>>West and R-2303B ~12 miles to the East. 39 miles due East of Rio
>>Rico in R-2312 (a 4 mile restricted circle a few miles South of
>>Serria Vista) there is a warning for an unmarked (no lights)
>>tethered observation balloon at 15,000 feet MSL; no doubt for
>>border patrol purposes.

>I think you are referring to mobile phone use.

No, I'm referring to a lookdown system platform along the
US/Mexico border. It's in a Restricted Zone (R-2312) within
Restricted zone R-2303B.

>If so, I have to
>wonder what you are getting at. That it would be okay to have
>all red lights, not the usual red and green flashing. Or, did C-
>Seti get their wish and witness a ufo flying in the skies over
>southern Arizona?

I laid that out above re ICAO standards for nav lights. No I am
not saying it is okay to display all red lights in civilian
airspace - it is illegal - and not even SOP for restricted
military airspace either. The AF uses recognition lights,
clusters of LEDs in muted green and blue/purple pastel shades
that they use to formate on each other during night missions-
particularly military helicopters.

These LEDs should not excite anyone however because they have
very low visibility ( for obvious reasons) and displayed on the
aircraft so as not to be visible from the ground unless they
were 50 feet off the deck in the first place where your lawn sod
being peeled back by jet exhaust would probably tip you off
anyway as to what you were seeing. The lights are displayed as 2
foot long by 4 inch wide bands at various angles and in
different combinations to identify particular aircraft in a

They are meant to be lined up with certain marks or structure of
the canopy (or helicopter cabin windows) so as to formate on
each other while flying at night or in marginal weather.

>BTW: last night, if a viewing session took place off the Sunset
>Patio at Esplendor, the participants would have had a
>spectacular view of the storm that rolled in from south of the
>border. It might have been fun to put on a couple of sweaters,
>take a large mug of hot chocolate and sit on the patio.

I must admit that it impressed me how cold it gets at night down
there despite the high temps during the day.

Don Ledger

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