From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 04:47:28 +0100 Archived: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 07:09:56 -0400 Subject: Re: That "Are We A Computer Program?... >From: William Treurniet <wtreurniet.nul> >To: post.nul >Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 12:54:25 -0400 >Subject: Re: That "Are We A Computer Program?... >>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <post.nul> >>Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 11:41:41 +0100 >>Subject: That "Are We A Computer Program?" Question Is Maybe Not So New <snip> >> Now that might seem surprising, maybe because we don't normally >>think about such things. Yet a meta-question could be inferred >>from those conclusions: "Were organic structures - i.e. Earth >>life-forms - actually built (or coded) *in order* to incorporate >>theories and solve problems?" >Is this a step toward a teleological approach to science? This >is the idea that the universe came into being with a built-in >purpose, and things evolved from the beginning so that that >purpose would be fulfilled. <snip> Hi William, Don't think Popper credited the teleological viewpoint, despite his rasing the question "Why don't we see mostly 'random-walk' mutations around us", and his apparent impression that evolution seems to be biased towards 'orthogenetic' (single-direction) progress. I think that is accounted for by the overwhelming importance of "first steps". I.e. if you 'decide' to live in the water and hunt things, only those random-walk mutations that help you to end up looking like a shark, orca or otter will succeed. Which is why those animals have tended towards similar streamlined body-shapes (and sharp teeth). >An example of such a theory has recently been published in a >book by Carl Calleman entitled "The Purposeful Universe". He >discusses evidence for the existence of a hierarchical system of >homeostatic mechanisms that enables the universe to grow like a >single organism toward a common goal. He argues that "the >purpose of the universe is to generate life, and its physical >nature is entirely subordinated to this purpose". >He finds the evidence for this in the recently discovered >asymmetry in the structure of the universe, the properties of >galaxies, the solar system, the planet, the biological organism, >down to the structure of the cell, and even the atom. What >happens at any given level is dependent on how things have >evolved at the more macro levels. Right, Lee Smolin outlined similar thoughts in The Life of the Cosmos. But I was prompted to raise that 'computer-program' question again because I've long thought the primary force in our universe - that which enables mass, matter and inertia - could also have enabled life-forms to develop from "the beginning", and that they could now be many billions of years old. And that, if those life-forms existed as living patterns in the primary force, they could have massive physical power coupled with 'magical' (to us) abilities to sense and even control all secondary energy patterns - like electromagnetics and even the mental patterns of us organic beings. Like Hoyle and Wickramasinghe said (in 'Cosmic Life-force'): [Quote Begins] "The ultimate cosmic intelligence built from ... more robust structures [than our own] could well be thought to persist for exceedingly long timescales, even for an eternity. A cosmic intelligence could be envisioned on a much more ambitious scale than the capacity of our own brains" [Quote Ends] A bit like Hoyle and Wickramasinghe, I'm asking if _all_ interesting developments of organic structures, like us, are being observed by such beings or could even be an 'experiment' of theirs? We could be living on a 'fast-forward' time-scale to their quasi-immortal senses. >I wonder what Popper would think about this. Same here. Cheers Ray D BTW - there's a speculative look at the concept at: www.perceptions.couk.com/uef/friend-foe.html with added speculation about their possible pre-protonic existence - i.e long before any putative 'big-bang' RD Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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