UFO UpDates
A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena
'Its All Here In Black & White'
Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com > 2010 > Jul > Jul 15

Re: That "Are We A Computer Program?...

From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 04:47:28 +0100
Archived: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 07:09:56 -0400
Subject: Re: That "Are We A Computer Program?...

>From: William Treurniet <wtreurniet.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 12:54:25 -0400
>Subject: Re: That "Are We A Computer Program?...

>>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <post.nul>
>>Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 11:41:41 +0100
>>Subject: That "Are We A Computer Program?" Question Is Maybe Not So New


>> Now that might seem surprising, maybe because we don't normally
>>think about such things. Yet a meta-question could be inferred
>>from those conclusions: "Were organic structures - i.e. Earth
>>life-forms - actually built (or coded) *in order* to incorporate
>>theories and solve problems?"

>Is this a step toward a teleological approach to science? This
>is the idea that the universe came into being with a built-in
>purpose, and things evolved from the beginning so that that
>purpose would be fulfilled.


Hi William,

Don't think Popper credited the teleological viewpoint, despite
his rasing the question "Why don't we see mostly 'random-walk'
mutations around us", and his apparent impression that evolution
seems to be biased towards 'orthogenetic' (single-direction)
progress. I think that is accounted for by the overwhelming
importance of "first steps". I.e. if you 'decide' to live in the
water and hunt things, only those random-walk mutations that
help you to end up looking like a shark, orca or otter will
succeed. Which is why those animals have tended towards similar
streamlined body-shapes (and sharp teeth).

>An example of such a theory has recently been published in a
>book by Carl Calleman entitled "The Purposeful Universe". He
>discusses evidence for the existence of a hierarchical system of
>homeostatic mechanisms that enables the universe to grow like a
>single organism toward a common goal. He argues that "the
>purpose of the universe is to generate life, and its physical
>nature is entirely subordinated to this purpose".

>He finds the evidence for this in the recently discovered
>asymmetry in the structure of the universe, the properties of
>galaxies, the solar system, the planet, the biological organism,
>down to the structure of the cell, and even the atom. What
>happens at any given level is dependent on how things have
>evolved at the more macro levels.

Right, Lee Smolin outlined similar thoughts in The Life of the

But I was prompted to raise that 'computer-program' question
again because I've long thought the primary force in our
universe - that which enables mass, matter and inertia - could
also have enabled life-forms to develop from "the beginning",
and that they could now be many billions of years old.

And that, if those life-forms existed as living patterns in the
primary force, they could have massive physical power coupled
with 'magical' (to us) abilities to sense and even control all
secondary energy patterns - like electromagnetics and even the
mental patterns of us organic beings.

Like Hoyle and Wickramasinghe said (in 'Cosmic Life-force'):

[Quote Begins]

"The ultimate cosmic intelligence built from ... more robust
structures [than our own] could well be thought to persist for
exceedingly long timescales, even for an eternity. A cosmic
intelligence could be envisioned on a much more ambitious scale
than the capacity of our own brains"

[Quote Ends]

A bit like Hoyle and Wickramasinghe, I'm asking if _all_
interesting developments of organic structures, like us, are
being observed by such beings or could even be an 'experiment'
of theirs? We could be living on a 'fast-forward' time-scale to
their quasi-immortal senses.

>I wonder what Popper would think about this.

Same here.


Ray D

BTW - there's a speculative look at the concept at:


with added speculation about their possible pre-protonic
existence - i.e long before any putative 'big-bang'


Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast



These contents above are copyright of the author and
UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced
without the express permission of both parties and
are intended for educational use only.

[ Next Message | Previous Message | This Day's Messages ]
This Month's Index |

UFO UpDates Main Index

UFO UpDates - Toronto - Operated by Errol Bruce-Knapp

Archive programming by Glenn Campbell at Glenn-Campbell.com