From: Jason Gammon <boyinthemachine.nul>
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:55:28 -0500
Archived: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:27:58 -0500
Subject: Re: The Life Cybernetic 


>From: William Treurniet <wtreurniet.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:01:29 -0500
>Subject: Re: The Life Cybernetic

>>From: Jason Gammon <boyinthemachine.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 00:56:10 -0500
>>Subject: The Life Cybernetic

>>Below is a link to my blog detailing why aliens must be cyborgs
>>if the accounts of abductees are to be believed.

>>The Life Cybernetic: Why Aliens Must Be Cyborgs:
>>http://tinyurl.com/yzkcgrx

>>I invite criticism but ask that readers not attempt to invoke a
>>mystery in order to explain a mystery.

>>-Jason Gammon

>Hello Jason,

>You seem to be getting a rise out of people because of your
>certainty that only your explanation is correct. I suppose if
>you allowed the possibility that there are other legitimate
>hypotheses, you might not get any response at all from the list.
>So I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and see your argument
>as a kind of straw man to be knocked over. So here goes.

Hello Mr. Treurniet. Thanks for replying.

>You can't seriously believe that research yielding statistical
>evidence for telepathy in controlled laboratory experiments over
>the last 50 years or so is voodoo science. These experiments may
>not be backed by theoretical understanding, but that does not
>negate the experimental results. Dismissing such research is
>simply burying your head in the sand and weakens your argument
>by making it appear uninformed.

Yes, I am stating that research into paranormal mental powers
such as telepathy, psychic abilities, and mind-over-matter, is
in fact voodoo science or pathological science. Such may also
fall under pseudoscience if the researcher is depending upon
supernatural explanations.

The key thing to realize is that when these researchers claim
they have proven these abilities to be real they are talking
about results that are so incredibly small beyond the
statistical average that it's hard to rule out error or bias. I
seriously doubt such a stance weakens my argument by making me
appear uninformed.

>There are physics experiments having to do with tunneling
>effects, quantum entanglement, etc. that are also based on
>statistical results. Relatively recent theory is well enough
>developed to provide at least a mathematical explanation.
>Quantum theory in general is a mathematical structure that
>predicts effects but does not really explain them. That's why we
>have the Copenhagen interpretation or the many-worlds
>interpretation, because mathematical certainty is not enough. So
>if physicists can't agree on what their theory means in a
>metaphysical sense, then how is it justifiable to dismiss
>results of parapsychology experiments that can't be
>satisfactorily explained?

There's absolutely no need to invoke quantum mechanics.
Also, physicists would not be using terms like metaphysics
with regards to science.

>"Grays as cybernetic organisms" is an hypothesis to explain the
>mechanism of the apparent telepathy, but some other mechanism
>could do as well.

Yes and it also is a possible explanation for the other mental
abilities of the aliens. What is remarkable is that the
technology of Brain-Computer Interface is capable of a wide-
variety of expression and can be inferred to be the technology
that is involved in other reported observations from abductees.

An alternative hypothesis would be that the aliens are fully
robotic and contain no organic systems in their bodies. I only
slightly touched on this. The reason why I didn't address it
outright is because it would disprove or significantly modify
certain aspects of the abduction phenomenon and I feared the
line of reasoning would be to complex for many to follow, or to
complex for me to properly communicate. However, I do admit that
my observations can be interpreted as the aliens being either
cyborgs or fully robotic.

>The element moving behind the eye cover could
>be an engineered device or it could be an evolved eyeball.

Yes. It's possible.

>Engineered vs biological telepathy would be interesting
>competing hypotheses were we ever able to do a controlled
>experiment. For example, a faraday cage might block engineered
>telepathy via EM radiation, but not biological telepathy using
>some kind of mind-to-mind tunneling. If you argue that mind-to-
>mind tunneling of information might also be engineered, then
>perhaps the distinction between an engineered and evolved
>mechanism is not very meaningful.

I'm not sure if you read my blog, but choosing biologically
engineered telepathy is not the logical choice as one
would be invoking a mystery in order to explain a mystery.

The Life Cybernetic: Why Aliens Must Be Cyborgs
http://tinyurl.com/yzkcgrx

>All of which makes me wonder why you think the distinction
>regarding mechanism is so important since the effect is the
>same. Could it be that you are just trying to drive a spike
>into the so-called "voodoo science"?

>William

The distinction behind the mechanism is extremely important. To
put it frankly, it's just not logical to argue for naturally
evolved telepathy or biologically engineered telepathy when we
are currently creating synthetic or technological telepathy.

Sure the probability for naturally evolved and biologically
engineered telepathy isn't zero, but it's pretty darn close to
it.

I would suggest researching more into the subject of Brain-
Computer Interfaces. This technology will revolutionize the
world.

I'm not just talking about synthetic telepathy, I'm talking
about driving a car by thought alone, surfing the Internet by
thought alone, playing video games by thought alone, operating
kitchen appliances and other devices by thought alone. I'm
talking about controlling robots by thought alone and of fully
functional robotic prosthetics.

I mention fully functional robotic prosthetics because this
technology is the means by which we will create advanced
cyborgs. By advanced cyborgs I am referring to beings who are
born cyborgs, having the technology Incorporated into the fetus.
These beings would never experience life as a 'normal' human.

When you think you understand the potential of Brain- Computer
Interface then go back and look at the reports of abductees.
It's amazing how so much of alien technology is remarkably
similar to Brain- Computer Interface.


-Jason Gammon



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