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Re: Berwyns Mountains Cover-Up Continues

From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 01:19:32 +0100
Archived: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 08:15:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Berwyns Mountains Cover-Up Continues

>From: Gerald O'Connell <goc.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 14:51:22 +0100
>Subject: Re: Berwyns Mountains Cover-Up Continues


>They will always appear to diverge. That is the drum you need to
>be banging if you want to rule out a meteor shower.

Hello Gerald & Martin,

I'm not concerned with making a case, not even for this List.

What I want is for my own conclusions to be based on facts and
on earliest (uncontaminated) reports - not on later propaganda.
Here's my sitrep so far:-

For some weeks before the Berwyn event there were various
sightings in that area of North Wales and Merseyside, with much
involvement of military, including apparent RAF attempts at
interception. Resident ufologists and forteans were reported as
saying there was `something going on' and that the military
seemed `jumpy' or `expectant'.

On the night of the event it was reported that a bright object
was tracked travelling south from Scotland towards North Wales
and to the Berwyns. At the same time another bright object was
seen approaching and crossing the east coast of England; it was
logged by two amateur astronomers (in contact by phone across
England) and their extended track of it extended westward to
North Wales, i.e. to the Berwyns.

All the above was known at the time and much was even reported,
including a BBC account of the two bright objects and of their
tracking by amateur astronomers.

On the night of the event the police reactions seemed way `over
the top', including the fact that non-local police (said to be
from Barmouth, about an hour's drive to the west) were on the
scene immediately. How did they know something would happen in
an hour's time?

The police refusal of civilian mountain-rescue help (immediately
available) and the subsequent (next 24 hours) arrival of
military team(s) seems downright irresponsible if an aircrash
had been suspected. In addition the police weren't interested in
the offer of help (by phone) from the district nurse - she had
to make her own way, by car, towards the Berwyns from the south-
west, not knowing where to go or where to look.

The impact/earthquake was heard over a wide area - but the Brit
Geological Service (BGS) seemed strangely reluctant to release
the usual depth/epicenter data which would normally have been
available. [Scott Felton has tried F.o.I requests to find out
what the NW Police and BGS and military have been keeping secret
- details on his webpage below.]

Now all those early (uncontaminated) reports are coverd by a
thick layer of denial and obfuscation - the BBC is mostly in
`silent-mode' and those several amateur astronomers also seem to
have been driven into silence and anonymity.

For the events `on the ground' of that night you can't do better
than Scott's interview - at:


and the webpage set up by him and the local group at:


BTW - one might get confused by the mountains' names. Basically,
Cader Bronwen is the northerly `mountain' and Cader Berwyn is
the southerly one - about four or five miles between their

I've been in the area and those 'mountains' are really high,
rounded and wide shouldered hills - so you can't see any peaks
or even uplands from the valleys below, only the immediate
valley walls rising up. In addition the small valleys and their
roads are quite twisting, so vision is usually limited to a few
hundred yards in most directions, until you get up towards the


Ray D

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