From: Steve Sawyer <stevesaw.nul> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 22:30:44 -0700 Archived: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 08:27:39 -0400 Subject: Re: UK National Archives' Release UFO Files #6 >From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul> >To: <post.nul> >Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 11:20:59 -0300 >Subject: Re: UK National Archives' Release UFO Files #6 >>From: David Clarke <daveclarke292.nul> >>To: post.nul >>Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 10:42:08 +0100 >>Subject: Re: UK National Archives' Release UFO Files #6 >>And all the evidence I have seen, and had access to, suggests >>there are no Top Secret documents held by the British >>Government, that have not already been released, that prove the >>existence of flying saucers. >>But it is, as you know, impossible to prove a negative, so I'm >>not going to try. >David, have you or any of the others filed FOIAs with MI5 or MI6 >seeking policy or any active investigations of UFO reports, >specifically RAF, RN, etc. personnel related reports? >If there was an active and ongoing investigation perhaps it was >dumped in their laps. After all investigating these reports >would not lend itself to military expertise. It's not their bag. Hi, Don, David & List "...have you or any of the others filed FOIAs with MI5 or MI6 seeking policy or any active investigations of UFO reports, specifically RAF, RN, etc. personnel related reports?" Very interesting question, Don. David, in our country there are at least 16 different intelligence agencies (or more, that might be undisclosed, like the NSA a very long time ago, and the NRO more recently, which in the NRO's case was supposed to not be mentioned on the Congressional floor or in related documents up until 1992, believe it or not), and myriad governmental sub- groups and elements, plus government private, corporate con- tractors, all of which have their own specialities and which often involve overlapping areas of responsibility and investigation / analysis, so Don's question is quite pertinent, IMHO. As a follow-up or supplementary questions, I'd also ask if you have filed FOIA's under the British laws concerned, what if any were the results, and in turn, if you haven't, why not? Are their parallel related laws or military policy guidances like our MDR's (mandatory declassification review requests, which is a separate but alternative means of getting docs declassified)? What national security related exceptions are in the British FOIA or related law that allow requests for declassification, and could any of them been used to not only not disclose or declassify certain Top Secret or TS/code word docs that involve UFO or similar sightings? How would you know, either way? What about the British equivalent of secret, very highly classified Presidential Decision Directiives and/or Executive Orders that, at least here, are not part of the FOIA/MDR request system? Do you know if there are any British government agencies, such as our NORAD, that are exempt from the FOIA in this country? Finally, on a hypothetical basis at least, if there were evidence, in the form of documents, retrieved physical materials, sensor system recordings, etc., that actually did point to or establish that some form of advanced non-human intelligence [ANHI] might potentially be behind, represent, or be the cause of some I assume relatively rare UFO and/or non- human intelligent presence, either in the past or currently, that those elements of the British government that could be involved in such areas would actually release or reveal such data or evidence in the first place, given the potential impact in so many ways? While you may not be able to, as is philosophically well known, disprove a negative, have all of the above questions or areas been investigated and explored by you, and if so, with what results, and if not, why not? I would much appreciate a full, detailed response. In our country, via executive orders, PDD's, and other executive branch signings and directives, there is even an operational security provision or guidance that it is legal for certain SAP and or SCI operations, projects, and areas of both military and intelligence agency responsibility not only to be neither confirmed or denied, which is standard operating procedure, for example, in press inquiries about storage and transit to foreign countries, such as Japan, regarding things like nuclear weapons, but even more disturbing, the authorization and requirement in some cases (such as I would suspect would cover UFO incidents and documentary evidence) that active denial and misdirection cover stories and, like the case of the AFOSI in the Bennewitz case involving Doty and unnamed USAF and intelligence agency higher-ups, investigations and domestic mil/intell psyops and other directed efforts are conducted to throw anyone getting curious or close to such extraordinarily highly classified ops are promulgated in order to keep the operation, project, or development classified. Do you know if there is any British equivalent to such an extreme regime of opsec and authorized, required "cover-up" security systems in place and use in your country, and if so, what might they be, and how would know if you aren't your-self cleared to know, which I presume as a journalism lecturer, you most likely would not be. So, your answer above, that one cannot disprove a negative, is a given, but my more specific interest and questions go to a possible system, such as Stan noted regarding the statements and implications of the 1969 Bolender memo about a separate system of both reporting, secrecy, and investigation by elements of our own government in reference to certain highly suggestive UFO case incidents. I'm quite curious and intrigued by what your answers to this series of questions may be. Please let us know about these higher levels of security ops, if you know anything about them. Thanks, Steve Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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