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Re: UK National Archives' Release UFO Files #6

From: Steve Sawyer <stevesaw.nul>
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 22:30:44 -0700
Archived: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 08:27:39 -0400
Subject: Re: UK National Archives' Release UFO Files #6

>From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 11:20:59 -0300
>Subject: Re: UK National Archives' Release UFO Files #6

>>From: David Clarke <daveclarke292.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 10:42:08 +0100
>>Subject: Re: UK National Archives' Release UFO Files #6

>>And all the evidence I have seen, and had access to, suggests
>>there are no Top Secret documents held by the British
>>Government, that have not already been released, that prove the
>>existence of flying saucers.

>>But it is, as you know, impossible to prove a negative, so I'm
>>not going to try.

>David, have you or any of the others filed FOIAs with MI5 or MI6
>seeking policy or any active investigations of UFO reports,
>specifically RAF, RN, etc. personnel related reports?

>If there was an active and ongoing investigation perhaps it was
>dumped in their laps. After all investigating these reports
>would not lend itself to military expertise. It's not their bag.

Hi, Don, David & List

"...have you or any of the others filed FOIAs with MI5 or MI6
seeking policy or any active investigations of UFO reports,
specifically RAF, RN, etc. personnel related reports?"

Very interesting question, Don. David, in our country there are
at least 16 different intelligence agencies (or more, that might
be undisclosed, like the NSA a very long time ago, and the NRO
more recently, which in the NRO's case was supposed to not be
mentioned on the Congressional floor or in related documents up
until 1992, believe it or not), and myriad governmental sub-
groups and elements, plus government private, corporate con-
tractors, all of which have their own specialities and which
often involve overlapping areas of responsibility and
investigation / analysis, so Don's question is quite pertinent,

As a follow-up or supplementary questions, I'd also ask if you
have filed FOIA's under the British laws concerned, what if any
were the results, and in turn, if you haven't, why not? Are
their parallel related laws or military policy guidances like
our MDR's (mandatory declassification review requests, which is
a separate but alternative means of getting docs declassified)?

What national security related exceptions are in the British
FOIA or related law that allow requests for declassification,
and could any of them been used to not only not disclose or
declassify certain Top Secret or TS/code word docs that involve
UFO or similar sightings? How would you know, either way? What
about the British equivalent of secret, very highly classified
Presidential Decision Directiives and/or Executive Orders that,
at least here, are not part of the FOIA/MDR request system? Do
you know if there are any British government agencies, such as
our NORAD, that are exempt from the FOIA in this country?

Finally, on a hypothetical basis at least, if there were
evidence, in the form of documents, retrieved physical
materials, sensor system recordings, etc., that actually did
point to or establish that some form of advanced non-human
intelligence [ANHI] might potentially be behind, represent, or
be the cause of some I assume relatively rare UFO and/or non-
human intelligent presence, either in the past or currently,
that those elements of the British government that could be
involved in such areas would actually release or reveal such
data or evidence in the first place, given the potential impact
in so many ways?

While you may not be able to, as is philosophically well known,
disprove a negative, have all of the above questions or areas
been investigated and explored by you, and if so, with what
results, and if not, why not? I would much appreciate a full,
detailed response.

In our country, via executive orders, PDD's, and other executive
branch signings and directives, there is even an operational
security provision or guidance that it is legal for certain SAP
and or SCI operations, projects, and areas of both military and
intelligence agency responsibility not only to be neither
confirmed or denied, which is standard operating procedure, for
example, in press inquiries about storage and transit to foreign
countries, such as Japan, regarding things like nuclear weapons,
but even more disturbing, the authorization and requirement in
some cases (such as I would suspect would cover UFO incidents
and documentary evidence) that active denial and misdirection
cover stories and, like the case of the AFOSI in the Bennewitz
case involving Doty and unnamed USAF and intelligence agency
higher-ups, investigations and domestic mil/intell psyops and
other directed efforts are conducted to throw anyone getting
curious or close to such extraordinarily highly classified ops
are promulgated in order to keep the operation, project, or
development classified.

Do you know if there is any British equivalent to such an
extreme regime of opsec and authorized, required "cover-up"
security systems in place and use in your country, and if so,
what might they be, and how would know if you aren't your-self
cleared to know, which I presume as a journalism lecturer, you
most likely would not be. So, your answer above, that one cannot
disprove a negative, is a given, but my more specific interest
and questions go to a possible system, such as Stan noted
regarding the statements and implications of the 1969 Bolender
memo about a separate system of both reporting, secrecy, and
investigation by elements of our own government in reference to
certain highly suggestive UFO case incidents.

I'm quite curious and intrigued by what your answers to this
series of questions may be. Please let us know about these
higher levels of security ops, if you know anything about them.



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