From: John Velez <jvelez49.nul>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:53:36 -0500
Archived: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:27:00 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Fourth Kind' Movie Review


>From: Steven Kaeser <steve.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <post.nul>
>Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 16:19:29 -0500
>Subject: Re: 'Fourth Kind' Movie Review

>>From: K Wilson <K_Wilson.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:55:57 -0600
>>Subject: Re: 'Fourth Kind' Movie Review

>>>From: John Velez <jvelez49.nul>
>>>To: post.nul
>>>Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 00:21:48 -0500
>>>Subject: 'Fourth Kind' Movie Review

>>>I'm going to be lazy about this and simply copy/paste the
>>review of the movie I left for Errol on his FB page.

>>>Here's the review...

>>>Good movie. More of a case study than some kind of overview or
>>>treatise on the abduction phenomenon. It surprised me that I was
>>>completely unfamiliar with this particular Alaskan case.

>>>I liked the fact that the producers didn't go out of their way
>>>to (further) sensationalize UFO abduction by creating a bunch of
>>>CGI aliens and UFOs. Very good job by the movie-makers overall.
>>>They gave respectful treatment to a very complex case. No need
>>>to sensationalize something that is already way off the known
>>>charts.

Katharina responded:

>>John,

>>I concur with your opinion. I saw the movie yesterday and it
>>is a good movie, well worth the time and money. While there
>>are some inaccuracies as far as real abduction scenarios go, I
>>feel this movie will awaken the general public a bit further
>>as to the reality of alien abductions.

There are _many_ inaccuracies, true, but I have to admit I was
fooled by the deceptive presentation. I've been (intentionally)
out of touch with anything 'ufological' for a happy and peaceful
nine years. I thought that it was highly possible this case just
'got by me' and that it based on an 'actual' report. I have
since then heard from Jason, Steve and others that they
discovered sufficient evidence that there is no 'real' story or
report behind the movie. That's good enough for me.

And... it's important for me to state that I was not trying to
sell any point of view or belief system about abduction by
'recommending' the movie. I am simply a life-long movie buff and
lover of film and I thought it was a cool movie. My review
should not be interpreted as anything other than what it was...
my review of a movie.

>>According to Nick Redfern, the lady whose case this movie is
>>based upon, is a real person. I have sent injuries to a few
>>people about her, her case, the videos that were used in the
>>film, and if her sleep study was ever published (or can be
>>read somewhere.) I can say one thing, if she does in fact
>>exist, I completely understand why she would want to remain
>>anonymous.

I'm convinced (from the evidence) that the semblance of reality
(created by the film-makers) is nothing more than Hollywood hype
to help put more asses in the seats. Period. You said yourself,
much of it doesn't fit the patterns associated with abduction. I
don't think there's anything 'real' about the story or the
characters.

Steve Kaeser wrote in response to Katharina:

>Please have Nick Redfern provide details as to the Doctor in
>question. I believe that she doesn't exist until proven
>otherwise. I find it absolutely strange that people would
>support a film because they thought it portrayed any sort of
>reality, and use it to promote their beliefs. That, in my
>opinion, is pretty sick and those involved with this should know
>better.

I wrote a _Movie_Review_ Steve, I don't think any part of my
post could even remotely be interpreted as, 'promoting my
beliefs'. Could you elaborate please? Maybe I'm misreading or
misinterpreting what you're referring to. Can you point me to
the part of my review that you are reading as, me
pitching/selling my 'beliefs'?

>As pointed out, this has no basis for belief that these deaths
>were related to Alien Abductions, In Alaska, I suspect that
>losing 20 to 30 people to alcohol abuse, disorientation and the
>cold, over a 35 year period, is probably normal. No paranormal
>explanation is needed.

I agree.

>But then again, it makes for a hellava movie...

It did! That's why I recommended it... as a _movie_. And nothing
else.

I'm outta here, kiddies. There's just way too much 'drama'
associated with regular participation in these forums. Back to
the woodwork for me.


Warmest regards to my friends and compadres,

John Velez



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