From: Ray Stanford <opus22.nul>
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:39:22 -0500
Archived: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:14:47 -0500
Subject: Re: Lonnie Zamora Eulogy...


>From: Michael Tarbell <mtarbell.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <post.nul>
>Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:32:26 -0700
>Subject: Re: Lonnie Zamora Eulogy...

>>From: Ray Stanford <opus22.nul>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <post.nul>
>>Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:10:21 -0500
>>Subject: Lonnie Zamora: Eulogy...

><snip>

>>The Fake (Substituted) Symbol:

>>1bd3f37.jpg

>>What Zamora Really Saw And Reported To His Co-Workers And To
>>Captain Richard T. Holder:

>>1bd3f66.jpg

>>Every law-enforcement officer who talked to Zamora within
>>minutes to an hour or so after the event, including police
>>dispatcher Mike Martinez, told me unequivocally that what Zamora
>>really saw on the object was, as Martinez quoted Zamora in
>>Spanish, "...un 'V' invertido, con tres l=EDneas debajo," meaning
>>exactly what it says, "an inverted 'V' with three lines beneath
>>it", and not the thing he was drawing and telling others that he
>>saw, after Holder's request.

>A trivial point perhaps, but the attached image of the 'real'
>symbol would probably be described in Spanish as "... un 'V'
>invertido, con tres l=EDneas a trav=E9s de ella", or words to that
>effect, i.e., an inverted 'V' with three lines _across_ or
>_through_ it, rather than beneath it.

>The Martinez quote suggests something different than the
>attached image, although "beneath it" could conceivably be
>interpreted as meaning that if the symbol were in the horizontal
>plane, then the three lines would be (vertically) 'beneath' or
>'below' the inverted "V", i.e., the "V" is superimposed on top
>of the three lines. This seems like an odd description for such
>a figure, at least compared to the one suggested above,
>particularly given that the "V" and the lines were the same
>color (red).

>Per Ray's book (in chapter The Hours Just After, also Appendix
>A), Zamora apparently made his own drawing of the symbol just
>prior to the arrival of Sergeant Chavez, and independent of the
>drawing produced in collaboration with Captain Holder. Does
>anyone know the disposition or whereabouts of this first
>drawing?

>The symbol details are not crucial to the overall story, but it
>would be nice to be able to confirm or refute it's alleged
>resemblance to, say, a Hughes Aircraft logo. Difficult to do
>that when it's actual appearance is poorly established.


Hello, Mike Tarbell,

You asked, "Does anyone know the disposition or whereabouts of
this first drawing?"

Yes. And I have a copy of the substitute (fake) insignia drawn
by Captain Holder, with Zamora's signature below it, obtained
from official files.

That will be provided by me to several persons with blogs or
websites that will post it, within the next week.

Right beside that drawing, I will contrast Zamora's relatively
unsophisticated (crude by comparison to Holder's) drawing of it,
as subsequently drawn for the droves of inquisitors.

Thanks for that important question, Mike.


Ray Stanford




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