From: Ray Stanford <opus22.nul>
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:30:11 -0500
Archived: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:06:32 -0500
Subject: Re: Lonnie Zamora Eulogy...


>From: Carol Maltby <carolmaltby.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <post.nul>
>Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:30:08 -0500
>Subject: Re: Lonnie Zamora Eulogy...

>>From: Ray Stanford <opus22.nul>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <post.nul>
>>Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:10:21 -0500
>>Subject: Lonnie Zamora: Eulogy...

>>Lonnie Zamora (1933 - 2009): Eulogy, to a Man of His Word, and
>>The Finest Witness One Could Ever Interview...

>>By Ray Stanford, author of the 211-page book on the Socorro case
>>>On Monday night, November 2, 2009, 'Lonnie' Zamora, likely North
>>America's most highly respected witness to something that the
>>U.S. Air Force's chief scientific investigator of UFOs
>>eventually admitted was, to use his own term, a "close encounter
>>of the third kind" died of what a Socorro Police spokesman
>>described as a heart attack.

><snip>

>>Secondly, about the red shape Zamora saw on the middle-side of
>>the ellipsoid-shaped craft: ZAMORA HAD, in his own mind, TAKEN
>>ANOTHER OATH TO THE GOVERNMENT HE LOVED: On that same April 24,
>>1964, evening, Captain Ord/C, Richard T. Holder, U.S. Army,
>>095052, Up-Range Commander at White Sand's Stallion Site, had
>>told the witness, as Zamora described to me, after much coaxing,
>>on April 29, 1964, "If I were you, I wouldn't describe the
>>symbol you saw on the side of the vehicle to anyone except
>>official investigators."

>>Well, Zamora _agreed_. Then, I have reasons to believe, Holder
>>drew the now familiar vertical arrow with an arc over it and a
>>line under it [A copy of that original, clearly drawn in its
>>first version by Holder - just compare it to Zamora's copies of
>>that fake symbol - is in my files.] and then Holder had Zamora
>>sign under it, as though THAT were what he saw. I am now
>>convinced enough to tell anyone - since Lonnie Zamora is now
>>gone, and there is no risk to embarrass him for participating in
>>the cover-up - the vertical arrow with an arc over it and the
>>line under it IS NOT WHAT ZAMORA SAW. Lonnie kept that promise
>>to Holder, not to reveal what he actually saw, for the rest of
>>his life. Zamora had agreed with Holder that putting out the
>>fake symbol would conveniently identify any copy-cat hoaxers
>>because they would describe the fake symbol instead of the REAL
>>one. I agree that Zamora made the right choice, in that case,
>>because it surely set a trap for hoaxers and even for
>>hallucinating persons.

>>The Fake (Substituted) Symbol:

>>1bd3f37.jpg

>>What Zamora Really Saw And Reported To His Co-Workers And To
>>Captain Richard T. Holder:

>>1bd3f66.jpg

>>Every law-enforcement officer who talked to Zamora within
>>minutes to an hour or so after the event, including police
>>dispatcher Mike Martinez, told me unequivocally that what Zamora
>>really saw on the object was, as Martinez quoted Zamora in
>>Spanish, "...un 'V' invertido, con tres l=EDneas debajo," meaning
>>exactly what it says, "an inverted 'V' with three lines beneath
>>it", and not the thing he was drawing and telling others that he
>>saw, after Holder's request.

>Ray, thank you for that thoughtful eulogy, and your updating on
>the incident.

>I'm a bit puzzled by the symbol attached as 1bd3f66.jpg, which
>you say is the real one seen by Zamora. It could be described as
>"an inverted 'V' with three lines beneath it" only if it were a
>three dimensional symbol with the V superimposed on it, or a two
>dimensional rendering of such a thing. Your drawing attached
>here does not describe either of those.

>From the Zamora description, I'd think it would look more like a
>witch's hat over an equal sign. More like this, rotated 90
>degrees to the right:

><III

>Can you shed some light on this?

>Carol Maltby


Thanks, Carol for your inquiry,

Answering it will help me clear up the questions not only in
your mind, but in those of others, because of the
interpretations which various persons are putting on the words
in Spanish that Zamora had initially used to Mike Martinez,
Socorro police dispatcher.

Notice that I mentioned that the actual shape Zamora saw was
confirmed to me by every Socorro policeman to whom I spoke. The
first one to do so was walking up to Martinez's dispatcher
location, just as Mike quoted Zamora's in-Spanish statement to
me. That uniformed policeman chimed in with something that would
make things absolutely clear. His approximate words, spoken in
English, were, "Yeah, that's what Lonnie really saw. I don't
know why he started saying it was something else, unless one of
those government guys told him not to tell what he drew for me
and others here."

"Are you sure Lonnie, himself, actually drew it for you?" I
quickly asked.

"He drew it for me, just like he did for other officers last
Friday."

He turned over a pad and drew what I showed as the real shape
(albeit a little more stretched-out horizontally) in my eulogy
to Lonnie. Before I left town on the morning of April 30,
another officer had drawn the same thing for me, just as he said
Lonnie had drawn it for him, personally.

In writing the Socorro book and its Appendix A, which discussed
the "insignia" matter in some depth, I chose not to mention the
other policemen's drawings of the real red shape for me because
I wanted to leave the matter slightly ambiguous in protection of
Lonnie Zamora. I did not want to implicate him in any
unambiguous way in a cover-up requested by army Captain Holder
and, thus, in Lonnie's mind, an official request my his
government.

That's the rest of the "insignia" story. Some will not let the
old cover-up, substituted "insignia" die, and it should be
buried by the real thing Lonnie saw on the side of the object.

Hynek confirmed to me in his very first visit to me after my
move from Arizona to Texas that what Lonnie had seen on the
object was exactly what I have declared to be the real
'insignia' in the eulogy. Zamora had already provided that
description to Hynek in the closed meeting with him on Hynek's
first night in Socorro, April 28, 1964. That meeting was why I
had the long wait to see Zamora, until around 9:20 that night,
when he finally got out of the closed conference with Hynek, as
mentioned in my book on the case.

That's it. That's the reality of the thing, and the real shape
Zamora saw was absolutely not a Hughes aircraft insignia,
contrary to what a few fact-distorting skeptics would have you
believe. The USAF, the FBI, and even the CIA knew it wasn't,
too.

By the way, wake up from your self-hypnosis, skeptics, because
black-project aircraft absolutely do NOT bear the logo of their
manufacturer painted large and in red on the side of the
vehicle!

As I write this on Saturday morning, November 7, 2009, the
funeral of Lonnie Zamora is concluding in Socorro, New Mexico.

May the best, most unwilling to embellish, close-encounter of
the third kind (or of any lesser UFO-encounter kind) observer I
have ever known now rest in peace, if he's not still just having
fun in some spiritual form, laughing at the Bragalian myth of a
balloon that flies off, launched by pyrotechnics, against the
wind, after having been supported by cardboard legs that
retracted into the balloon as it self-propelled off to
hypersonic speed within well less than thirty seconds.

May Lonnie Zamora's legacy as North America's likely most
objective and credible CE III witness, live across the coming
years, reminding skeptics of religious-intensity anti-UFO fervor
everywhere, that the best witness can be someone who never
believed, and certainly had no interest in believing, in UFOs of
any kind.


Emphatically,

Ray Stanford



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