From: Jason Gammon <boyinthemachine.nul>
Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 00:49:34 -0400
Archived: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 13:12:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Abduction Debunking Has Already Begun


>From: Steve Sawyer <stevesaw.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <post.nul>
>Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 02:05:40 -0700
>Subject: Re: Abduction Debunking Has Already Begun

>>From: Jason Gammon <boyinthemachine.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:49:55 -0400
>>Subject: Re: Abduction Debunking Has Already Begun

<snip>

>>Basically oust the Keelians, the Valleeians, and other
>>cultists who prescribe to "theories" that are not rooted in a
>>physical reality and literally stand no chance of ever being
>>scientifically proven.

>Hi, Jason/List---

>So you consider Vallee some kind of "cultist"? I don't think you
>have studied his writings thoroughly or understood them very
>clearly then. Have you ever read his paper "Five Arguments
>Against the Extra- terrestrial Origin of Unidentified Flying
>Objects"?

My use of the term "Valleeians" refers to Vallee's dedicated
followers.

No, I have never read that paper, nor the paper below.

>See: http://bit.ly/1jgCex

>Or his paper with Eric Davis, "Incommensurability, Orthodoxy and
>the Physics of High Strangeness: A 6-layer Model for Anomalous
>Phenomena"

>See:

>http://bit.ly/1fXEjk and related slides at: http://bit.ly/Kkk4P

>Vallee simply posits that UFOs are not necessarily
>extraterrestrial craft piloted by aliens, but does not rule out
>the ETH. He things the UFO phenomenon may indicate a far more
>complex and richer source or origin than the basic "nuts and
>bolts" school of mainstream Ufology in regard to defining the
>ETH or other alternative considerations as to the possible
>nature and sources of UFO phenomenology.

Vallee would make the phenomena far more mysterious then it
already is, or even ought to be.

>"High strangeness" cases, as defined by both Hynek and Vallee,
>among many others, simply states that many cases of UFO
>incidents, including multiple-witness cases which include radar
>and other sensor-based technologies recording a genuine
physical >phenomena, such as the famous 1957 RB-47 case, for
just one >example, have aspects of phenomena, behavior,
appearance or >other definite patterns of both frequency and
repetition that have >to include and consider elements of "high
strangeness" reports >and evidence, not exclude them, in order
to obtain a more thorough >and scientific basis for genuine
research and empirical investigation >of the whole body of facts
in a wide variety of reports and cases >of UFOs, not just
selecting those which one may personally >consider "credible"--
to do otherwise is not science, which based >on your prior
statements in this thread, I assume you consider >a quite
important starting point.

Yes Steve, if you re-read my comments I refer to this. I wrote
about not getting rid of the cases that involve cars dying during
a sighting, but tossing the strange cases of occupants handing
out space-pancakes.


-Jason



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