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Re: MoD File Release

From: Stanton T Friedman <fsphys.nul>
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 20:37:45 -0300
Archived: Fri, 30 May 2008 20:45:42 -0400
Subject: Re: MoD File Release


>From: Joe McGonagle <joe.mcgonagle.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 18:06:21 +0100
>Subject: Re: MoD File Release

>>From: Stanton T Friedman <fsphys.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 10:28:04 -0300
>>Subject: Re: MoD File Release

><snip>

>>Thanks, Joe, for clarifying familiarity with security
>>procedures. We still have the problem of Need-to-know for
>>compartmented information about UFOs, and whether Dave Clarke
>>had a clearance of any kind.

>If we are going to have to wait for a ufologist with the need-
>to-know together with an appropriate security clearance, we are
>going to be waiting for a very long time.

>On the other hand, if a request for information is turned down,
>and appealed through the Information Commissioner, the IC or one
>of his agents then has the need-to-know _and_ the appropriate
>security clearance to access the information and adjudicate on
>the public interest vs. need for secrecy.

>>You pointed out that MI5 and MI6 aren't covered by FOIA, right?

>Indeed I did, also GCHQ is not covered under FoIA. I also
>pointed out my rationale as to why they would have little if any
>interest in UFOs.

>It seems to me that I can contribute little more of any value to
>this thread, I seem to be going round in circles, so I will bow
>out and allow Nick Pope to take centre stage at this point, I am
>sure that there is little variance between our views in spite of
>other disagreements.



Joe:

Thanks for your comments. I am certainly not suggesting we need
a ufologist with a need to know. Obviously he wouldn't legally
be able to divulge what he had learned.

My point, which I have apparently not made clear, is that I do
not understand how you and Dave conclude that the MOD UFO files
are the only UK UFO data files.

I realize that the US and the UK are two countries separated by
a common language. But the analogy is that Project Blue Book was
not the only official game in town despite feverish oft repeated
US Air Force claims to that effect... furthermore, the other
agencies apparently involved in the best cases involving
national security, denied their involvement.

I cannot forget that the best equipment for monitoring the skies
is that operated by the government and that the data is born
SECRET. Why would anybody expect outsiders to know about it?
Secrets are not kept by telling them to everybody, but by
telling as few people as possible.

I prove that there is a Cosmic Watergate in the USA in Flying
Saucers And Science. We need some UK researchers to do the same
thing there.


Stan Friedman




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