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Re: Government Officials Were Telling The Truth

From: Joe McGonagle <joe.mcgonagle.nul>
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 19:37:51 +0100
Archived: Wed, 28 May 2008 20:10:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Government Officials Were Telling The Truth

>From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 14:10:32 -0300
>Subject: Re: Government Officials Were Telling The Truth


>As for his claim that "there is not a shred of evidence" I
>disagree. So there you have it. The difference between me saying
>there is a shred and Clarke saying there isn't a shred is that
>he has the ear of the meadia on a daily basis. I have no real
>resource in that regard.

I am with Dave on this - there is no evidence in the released UK
MoD UFO files that any UFOs are of extraterrestrial origin - if
you think otherwise, perhaps you can direct me to what persuades
you that there is?

>Clarke is clever with the media; it was he who engineered the
>release of the badly flawed Condign Report through the Sheffield
>Hallam media center. As mentioned Clarke lectures on Journalism
>at Sheffield Hallam, those at the media center are students at
>Hallam. Clarke writes a mean FOIA but has he ever been in the
>field; not twenty years later but the first or second onscene at
>a current UFO report site or with the witnesses? I've seen no
>evidence of it.

Ironically, the fact that he _was_often_ first on the scene was
cited as evidence that he worked for MI5 by at least one
ufologist! The fact that he was working as a journalist at the
time had nothing to do with it.

Dave has been active in ufology as an an investigator and
researcher for a very long time - his earliest MoD
correspondence can be read in DEFE31/175 p.51 from September
1987 - the start of a dialogue with the MoD lasting over 20

Recently, he was the first person within ufology to contact
pilot Ray Bowyer, pilot of the aircraft involved in the Guernsey
incident on 23rd April last year.


>They have airspace breeches all of the time according to the
>"meticulously documented" reports. That is what is so
>embarrassing for the MOD. This is a critical point around which
>the actions of the MOD and every other governing agency on the
>planet investigating these events must revolve. It is nonsense
>to claim that these things don't breech security when in fact
>they do and the 'autorities" can't do a damn thing about them.

I agree entirely.

>>The spokeswoman, who spoke on condition of anonymity =97 not
>>because she works with Agent Mulder in some shadowy basement
>>office, but because that is government policy

>Sure. Not identified then not of jounalistic worth. Would Sarah
>go to jail to protect this source?

Standard practice with the MoD press department, I'm afraid.


>>The files from 1978 to 2002 were released this month. Some older
>>files have already been declassified and made public;

>Why was so much of this junk classified?

The bulk was classified 'CONFIDENTIAL' or 'RESTRICTED' - the
lowest classification available - simply to protect the witness


>>"A lot of people imagined that there was this vast UFO project
>>with lots of people working on it, when in reality it was a
>>civil servant spending 25 percent of his time on it, filing
>>reports," he said.

>Maybe the people in the UK thought that, most people over here
>don't think of it at all, and very few think that the government
>takes an interest. In reality the UK is behind about 20 years,
>perhaps more, with these releases and now they are taking very
>little heat for not just putting the reports "out there' and
>letting the chips fall where they may. Their reluctance strikes
>me more as "If we aren't forced to release, why bother?'
>Governments are lazy that way.

You are exactly right - the MoD were reluctant to expend the
effort to sanitise and release the documents because of the
labour involved. There was a time in the 1970's when they felt
that such disclosure was inevitable, and they prepared redacted
copies of reports for release. They also 'accidentally'
destroyed the unredacted original versions, so all that we have
from that period are the redacted copies (which they didn't in
fact release until they were obliged to under the Public Records
Act after 30 years).



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