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Re: MoD File Release

From: Stanton T Friedman <fsphys.nul>
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 13:19:28 -0300
Archived: Tue, 27 May 2008 15:17:57 -0400
Subject: Re: MoD File Release


>From: Joe McGonagle <joe.mcgonagle.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 20:33:20 +0100
>Subject: Re: MoD File Release

>>From: Stanton T Friedman <fsphys.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 14:39:50 -0300
>>Subject: Re: MoD File Release

>>>From: Joe McGonagle <joe.mcgonagle.nul>
>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 16:03:27 +0100
>>>Subject: Re: MoD File Release

><snip>

>>The 1997 release of 160 pages of NSA UFO documents was very
>>enlightening. One could read 1 or 2 sentences per page. Wite-out
>>was used on the rest. The standard USAF (false)statement about
>>UFOs has for decades indicated that, aside from the National
>>Archives they were not aware of any other government agency
>>holding UFO documents! We know the FBI, CIA, and NSA and DIA etc
>>were. They lied. I wonder if the MOD has stated flatly that no
>>other agency is holding UFO materials??

>They effectively have, but in the inverse sense - they say that
>the only department directly concerned with UFOs is Sec(AS) (now
>DAS).

>The problem with interpreting redactions in documents which
>mention UFOs as evidence of some kind of concealment of
>information which would reveal positive knowledge of ET
>visitation is that the content of the redactions is unknown. For
>instance, it could relate to sabotage of hostile satellites
>under the cover of 'created' UFO activity. This technically is
>UFO related, but there is good reason for not revealing it.
>Until those redactions are ultimately disclosed (probably not in
>our lifetimes), one can only speculate what might be behind
>them.

>>Let us also note that the Condign author claimed falsely that
>>his report was only the 2nd English Language large study of
>>UFOs, besides the Condon Report. He was ignorant. Blue Book
>>Special Report 14 Had 240 charts tables, graphs, maps. The
>>Congressional Symposium of July 29, 1968, has testimony from 12
>>Scientists.. all in English. He was woefully unin formed about
>>the subject of plasmas and UFOs. Certainly here is one case
>>where absence of evidence in UK MOD UFO files cannot be taken as
>>evidence for overall absence. Are the intelligence agency UFO
>>files covered by FOIA in the UK?

>MI5, MI6, and GCHQ are exempt from FoIA at least for the time
>being. However, for reasons given in previous posts, I am
>convinced that any interest these have or had in UFOs was, a)
>transient and b) related to their specifically defined areas of
>responsibility. Their function would primarily be as channels
>supplying information to any interested parties in the MoD.




Thanks Joe.

Perhaps I missed it, but I have not seen any evidence that you
and Dave Clarke have high level security clearances and a need
to know for all or any classified UK military or intelligence
agency information about UFOs, alien spacecraft, anomalous
aerial vehicles, flying saucers, etc.

For years , until a court case, the CIA denied having any
involvement other than the Robertson Panel. J.Edgar Hoover of
the FBI denied for years that the FBI had any involvement until
Bruce Maccabee used FOIA to find over 1500 pages of UFO
material. Would all RAAF UFO reports be in the MOD files?
Certainly in the USA military records are maintained separately
for the USAF, Navy, Army, CIA, FBI, NSA, etc.

I guess what I am suggesting is that you both seem to feel that
absence of evidence is evidence for absence and that, for
reasons unknown, you would know about everything that was there.
Are there really no black budget agencies in the UK??


Stan Friedman



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