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Re: MoD File Release

From: Joe McGonagle <joe.mcgonagle.nul>
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 20:43:55 +0100
Archived: Tue, 27 May 2008 10:20:00 -0400
Subject: Re: MoD File Release

>From: Gerald O'Connell <gac.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 19:03:04 +0100
>Subject: Re: MoD File Release

>>From: Joe McGonagle <joe.mcgonagle.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 00:12:20 +0100
>>Subject: Re: MoD File Release


>>>The timing of this particular embarrassment for the MoD should
>>>serve as a salutary warning for those who, for whatever reason,
>>>want to believe that the MoD is telling the truth, the whole
>>>truth, and nothing but the truth.
>>Which rather illustrates my point about cover-ups - if the
>>authorities are so all-powerful, why didn't they just cover this
>I can't imagine a more crass comment in this context. You appear
>to be of the view that because some things have come to light,
>then that must mean that everything has come to light, and there
>is no more to be concealed. And where did you get the idea that
>anybody is suggesting that the authorities are omnipotent?

I refer you back to Don Ledgers words from his post on 20th May:

"Why the hell would they tell you? Do you really think you are in
the loop? There are plenty of things the government keeps secret
that have nothing to do with UFOs that you will never be privy
to. They have become masters at it over many centuries."

>>I'm curious to know where you think we _can_ go other than as I
>>described in a previous post - misplaced records - and appeals
>>against retentions?

>Well Joe, let's try to satisfy your curiosity as to the
>mechanics of an Open Society. We could have new laws relating to
>FOI, and they could be more strongly biased in favour of public
>scrutiny of government or civil service activities and
>decisions. And then we could have a much more open system of
>appeal. Instead of having a process whereby the burden of work
>is on researchers, journalists and busybodies to extract
>material, we could have a system whereby records are
>automatically made public and officials have to do the work and
>justify non-disclosure. We could ensure that any significant
>decisions on non-disclosure have to be taken by a jury, rather
>than by paid public officials. Like I said, it's a long journey!

If I understand you correctly, you are advocating divulging every
scrap of paper generated by the government. If that were so, the
entire population would be involved in sanitising and publishing
the information, and most of it would go unread. I think there
are already too many people employed by the government, and too
much unread material published.

It would however be an excellent way of concealing information -
just bury it in a mountain of other information which no-one
would have the time to sift through.



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