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Re: MoD File Release

From: Stanton T Friedman <fsphys.nul>
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 14:39:50 -0300
Archived: Sun, 25 May 2008 16:59:34 -0400
Subject: Re: MoD File Release


>From: Joe McGonagle <joe.mcgonagle.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 16:03:27 +0100
>Subject: Re: MoD File Release
>
>
>>From: Stanton T Friedman <fsphys.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 21:24:08 -0300
>>Subject: Re: MoD File Release
>
>Hello Stan, List,
>
><snip>
>
>>It should be noted that in the USA besides the USAF there are
>>such intelligence agencies as the CIA, DIA, NSA, NRO, AFOSI,
>>ONI. Some certainly have had UFO collections.
>
>The situation is a little different in the UK in that there are
>fewer agencies, and they have more rigidly-defined terms of
>reference.
>
>MI5 and Special Branch could be loosely compared with the FBI.
>MI5 is concerned with military intelligence within the UK which
>by it's nature is more of a counter-intelligence operation.
>
>Special Branch is mainly concerned with criminal intelligence,
>which means there is a slight overlap with MI5 in relation to
>hostile espionage with the UK (which is both criminal and of
>military intelligence interest). Terrorism is another area of
>overlap. Special Branch _did_ take a short-term interest in UFOs
>in the past due to concerns that some reports may relate to
>terrorist use of helicopters to transport personnel and/or
>explosives covertly, but they involved the MoD with their
>investigations.
>
>MI6 is comparable to the CIA in that it is concerned with
>overseas espionage. They may be able to provide chapter and
>verse on Russian or Chinese interest in UFOs, but won't hold any
>information on the UK interest.
>
>Other departments relate to SIGINT or ELINT, and unless UFOs are
>generating radio transmissions, sending encrypted messages over
>the internet, or have been captured on satellite images there
>will be little if any relevant information held by them. Even if
>there is, the information would most likely have been routed to
>DI55 which could possibly account for some of the redactions.
>Both types of intelligence are the most closely guarded in the
>UK.

>One possible exception is NATO - I haven't looked into their
>interest or otherwise in UFOs. However, if any department
>including NATO was interested in UFO reports for UK controlled
>airspace on a regular basis, they would be included on the
>distribution list for signalled UFO reports (which incidentally
>were classified 'RESTRICTED' or 'CONFIDENTIAL' and their
>priority was 'ROUTINE').

>>Surely there must be similar low profile groups in the UK whose
>>data would not be in the not very classified MOD files?

>>Absence of high security cases in these MOD files cannot be
>>taken as evidence there is no such data elsewhere.

>But there _have_ been documents classified 'SECRET' relating to
>UFOs released in the past - the FSWP, the intelligence minutes
>relating to it, and the CONDIGN report. They _all_ revealed a
>lack of any evidence of ET visitation.

>In the future scheduled releases it is quite possible that some
>documents will be classified SECRET or above, but they aren't
>going to contradict the accumulated already-released material.

Joe,

Yes, the CIA released 900 pages of UFO materials none rated
above SECRET... And all prior to about 1980. But when I pursued
the NSA which had listed a bunch of UFO documents from other
agencies, including about 25 from the CIA,when first asked to
release 18 UFO documents noted by the CIA, it took me 2 years to
get 11 CIA UFO documents which were unclassified press abstracts
of Eastern European Newspaper articles about UFOs. I appealed
and it took 3 more years to get very highly redacted copies of
only 4 Of the remaining 14 CIA documents. They had been
classified TOP SECRET Code word. The other 10 were not released
at all.

The 1997 release of 160 pages of NSA UFO documents was very
enlightening. One could read 1 or 2 sentences per page. Wite-out
was used on the rest. The standard USAF (false)statement about
UFOs has for decades indicated that, aside from the National
Archives they were not aware of any other government agency
holding UFO documents! We know the FBI, CIA, and NSA and DIA etc
were. They lied. I wonder if the MOD has stated flatly that no
other agency is holding UFO materials??

Let us also note that the Condign author claimed falsely that
his report was only the 2nd English Language large study of
UFOs, besides the Condon Report. He was ignorant. Blue Book
Special Report 14 Had 240 charts tables, graphs, maps. The
Congressional Symposium of July 29, 1968, has testimony from 12
Scientists.. all in English. He was woefully unin formed about
the subject of plasmas and UFOs. Certainly here is one case
where absence of evidence in UK MOD UFO files cannot be taken as
evidence for overall absence. Are the intelligence agency UFO
files covered by FOIA in the UK?


Stan Friedman



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