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Re: MoD File Release

From: Joe McGonagle <joe.mcgonagle.nul>
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 16:03:27 +0100
Archived: Sun, 25 May 2008 06:30:37 -0400
Subject: Re: MoD File Release

>From: Stanton T Friedman <fsphys.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 21:24:08 -0300
>Subject: Re: MoD File Release

Hello Stan, List,


>It should be noted that in the USA besides the USAF there are
>such intelligence agencies as the CIA, DIA, NSA, NRO, AFOSI,
>ONI. Some certainly have had UFO collections.

The situation is a little different in the UK in that there are
fewer agencies, and they have more rigidly-defined terms of

MI5 and Special Branch could be loosely compared with the FBI.
MI5 is concerned with military intelligence within the UK which
by it's nature is more of a counter-intelligence operation.

Special Branch is mainly concerned with criminal intelligence,
which means there is a slight overlap with MI5 in relation to
hostile espionage with the UK (which is both criminal and of
military intelligence interest). Terrorism is another area of
overlap. Special Branch _did_ take a short-term interest in UFOs
in the past due to concerns that some reports may relate to
terrorist use of helicopters to transport personnel and/or
explosives covertly, but they involved the MoD with their

MI6 is comparable to the CIA in that it is concerned with
overseas espionage. They may be able to provide chapter and
verse on Russian or Chinese interest in UFOs, but won't hold any
information on the UK interest.

Other departments relate to SIGINT or ELINT, and unless UFOs are
generating radio transmissions, sending encrypted messages over
the internet, or have been captured on satellite images there
will be little if any relevant information held by them. Even if
there is, the information would most likely have been routed to
DI55 which could possibly account for some of the redactions.
Both types of intelligence are the most closely guarded in the

One possible exception is NATO - I haven't looked into their
interest or otherwise in UFOs. However, if any department
including NATO was interested in UFO reports for UK controlled
airspace on a regular basis, they would be included on the
distribution list for signalled UFO reports (which incidentally
were classified 'RESTRICTED' or 'CONFIDENTIAL' and their
priority was 'ROUTINE').

>Surely there must be similar low profile groups in the UK whose
>data would not be in the not very classified MOD files?

>Absence of high security cases in these MOD files cannot be
>taken as evidence there is no such data elsewhere.

But there _have_ been documents classified 'SECRET' relating to
UFOs released in the past - the FSWP, the intelligence minutes
relating to it, and the CONDIGN report. They _all_ revealed a
lack of any evidence of ET visitation.

In the future scheduled releases it is quite possible that some
documents will be classified SECRET or above, but they aren't
going to contradict the accumulated already-released material.



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