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Flotillas Over The Americas

From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 16:40:11 +0100
Archived: Wed, 14 May 2008 06:59:15 -0400
Subject: Flotillas Over The Americas

Hello List,

These 'fleets' or 'flotillas' are large groups of apparent
spheres, seemingly self-luminous and moving in unison, sometimes
in aligned groups. They can comprise hundreds of objects or

First well-documented 'fleet' I can find is over Mexico,
observed by chief astronomer Jose Bonilla through 12 - 14th
August 1883. The fleet was at a height of 150,000 miles, higher
than most satellite orbits, more than halfway to the Moon.
Bonilla counted 447 of the craft but there were clearly many
more. See:


the world's first UFO photo is at page.

Next, a Navy officer got the first film of a 'fleet' over Utah
in 1952, at an unstated altitude. A clip is at 1:00 to 1:30 mins
in this video, after Hynek says the Navy had definitely
determined 'they weren't birds, balloons, aircraft etc', and
immediately following the words "self-luminous unidentified


The Robertson Panel


saw the film and knew the facts but willfully denied them,
claiming (according to Hynek) 'They can't be unidentified,
therefore they must be birds'. So the Robertson Panel lied to

Next is more film and photos of the 'fleet' (or 'flotilla' in the
words of Santiago Garza), again over Mexico, apparently from the
early '90's onwards (can't find any altitude statements). A 2006
Conference presentation of the 'fleets':


is by Jaime Maussan and Santiago Garza.

The media have mostly claimed they were 'balloons', despite
overwhelming evidence against. So the media have lied to us.

BTW - it is inconceivable that astronomers are not seeing these
objects. Here's testimony from Jacques Vallee - from 09:00 mins
in this video:


that a chief astronomer at the Paris Observatory deliberately
destroyed records of a particularly well observed set of
sightings by a team of junior astronomers. So the astronomers
have lied to us.

Further, the 'fleets' have been filmed from space, both by the
Russian MIR and the USA's satellites and Shuttles. Here's text
and video of a long sighting, and comment, from around 07:40 at:


In the video Columbia's Houston ground-control says 'bed-of-
diamonds' and then asks 'is that a real picture or... video
fuzz?'. After a long delay Columbia decides to claim they were
'ice-crystals'. So NASA has lied to us.

More recently Shostak of SETI has been denying the existence of
UFOs, sometimes quite sharply. Again, it is inconceivable that
Shostak, a veteran professional astronomer and close to NASA, is
not aware of these fleets and the history of their observations.
So it seems SETI's Shostak is either surprisingly ignorant or he
has lied to us.

There might've been different personal reasons for the lies -
 but I think pressure from the same source caused them all. So
who's got the biggest motive to deny that large fleets of
unidentified craft are constantly flying over the Americas?


Ray D

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