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Re: Shostaks's 'Phoenix Lights' With Rebuttals

From: Frank Warren <frank-warren.nul>
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 07:08:09 -0700
Archived: Sat, 10 May 2008 10:46:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Shostaks's 'Phoenix Lights' With Rebuttals

>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 11:54:37 -0400
>Subject: Re: Shostaks's 'Phoenix Lights' With Rebuttals

>>From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 13:50:07 -0300
>>Subject: Re: Shostaks's 'Phoenix Lights' With Rebuttals


>>>given the fact that training, or more
>>>specifically the dropping of flares was a common occurence in
>>>the area, one would think they would have an idea about the
>>>characteristics of LUU-2 illumination flares, i.e., candlepower,
>>>distances they would be visible etc. Moreover, smoke and/or
>>>'chutes would be visible.

>>Perhaps Bruce addressed this brilliance verses distance in his

>The flares burn with an output rated at up to 2 million
>candlepower. Can be seen at night for many tens of miles.

>The images in the 10:00pm videos do not show any smoke trails,
>but one wouldn't expect to see the light reflected from smoke
>from a great distance.

>Instead, the image of the bright flare would create an image that
>essentially 'covers-up' any light from the smoke. (The image
>actually recorded by the camera is many times larger than the
>image would be if the camera optics were 'perfect'.

>Note that the image of a distant very bright light is much larger
>than the image of an equally distant' dim light. The image size
>increases with brightness.)

>The videos by Krzysten ("Krzysten arc") and C. Rairdon are
>particularly valuable for analysis because the lights are seen
>long enough to be able to prove that they drop downward and to
>the left, consistent with falling flares in an airmass that was
>moving west to east (right to left in the videos looking

Bruce, Don, Brad, et al,

To clarify my previous comments - in response to Brad re the 75
mile distance and playing devil's advocate: The further away
the drop takes place, smoke and/or 'chutes are less likely to be
visible, as Bruce emphasizes above.

Important to remember (like Stephenville) the powers-that-be
initially denied dropping flares only to later reverse



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