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Re: Shostaks's 'Phoenix Lights' With Rebuttals

From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 13:50:07 -0300
Archived: Wed, 07 May 2008 06:30:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Shostaks's 'Phoenix Lights' With Rebuttals

>From: Frank Warren <frank-warren.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 11:58:35 -0700
>Subject: Re: Shostaks's 'Phoenix Lights' With Rebuttals

>>From: Brad Sparks <RB47x.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 18:32:02 EDT
>>Subject: Re: Shostaks's 'Phoenix Lights' With Rebuttals

>>>From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 04:40:43 -0300
>>>Subject: Re: Shostaks's 'Phoenix Lights' With Rebuttals

>>>>From: Frank Warren <frank-warren.nul>
>>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>>Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 09:27:59 -0700
>>>>Subject: Shostaks's 'Phoenix Lights' With Rebuttals

>>>>Greetings Listers,

>>>>Seth Shostak offered up some penscript (at his blog) on the
>>>>recent hoax in Phoenix, and to no surprise melded the events of
>>>>March '97 into the piece.


>>>The flares dropped at 10:00 pm are from a single aircraft, an A-
>>>10 which dropped them, each preset - from the cockpit - to
>>>ignite at 25,000 feet 75 miles away. Since flares are useless
>>>for ground illumination above 1,500 feet AGL what was the point
>>>of ignition at 25K?

>>>My guess is a quick patch job for the folks in Phoenix 2 hours
>>>plus past the main events. And I am not buying the foolishness
>>>about getting rid or the flares at high altitude so they
>>>wouldn't start brush fires in the desert and because they didn't
>>>want to land the A-10 with flares on board - or put them back
>>>into inventory.

>>>They didn't have concerns earlier about dropping them into the

>>>There is much to be said about full crockery re Seth's
>>>ruminations. It's 4:40am and I'm going to bed.

>>I don't know why Shostak would bother beating the tired dead
>>horse. Doesn't he have better things to do with his time?

>>But I have a problem with the theory that the AF deliberately
>>dropped the flares within 2 hours of the genuine UFO sightings

>>from 75 miles away just to try to confuse people. I would doubt

>>anyone in the AF would think the flares could even be seen from
>>75 miles away or be prominent enough to be noticed. Wouldn't it
>>have been easier to just fly a formation of A-10 aircraft
>>directly over the the route of the UFO to try to confuse
>>witnesses, maybe have them flash some high intensity lights
>>along the way?

>>It seems more likely that it was a serendipitous opportunity
>>after the fact to claim the flares caused the UFO sightings, not
>>part of a planned operation.


>Regardless of the intent, of the Air Force (or Guard) the
>outcome did and still does muddy the waters to this day; the
>media continues to air the the 10:00 flare video when addressing
>the so-called Phoenix Lights, erroneously marrying multiple
>events to those 5 infamous videos.

Fife Symington for one and several others with some knowledge of
this event have fallen down on this point. On CNN Fife did not
differentiate between the two nor did some of the other
panelists. It is the first point which should be cleared up when
the topic comes up.

>On the flip-side, if the flare drop was an intentional
>diversionary tactic,

You heard it here first. I've been banging away at that for a
year or more now. When I first proposed it it made no sense to me
that one A-10 just happened to drop flares at that time and set
to ignite at 25,000 feet. Too much of a coincidence in my

>given the fact that training, or more
>specifically the dropping of flares was a common occurence in
>the area, one would think they would have an idea about the
>characteristics of LUU-2 illumination flares, i.e., candlepower,
>distances they would be visible etc. Moreover, smoke and/or
>'chutes would be visible.

Perhaps Bruce addressed this brilliance verses distance in his

Don Ledger

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