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Re: Shostaks's 'Phoenix Lights' With Rebuttals

From: Frank Warren <frank-warren.nul>
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 11:58:35 -0700
Archived: Tue, 06 May 2008 08:31:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Shostaks's 'Phoenix Lights' With Rebuttals 

Brad, Don,

>From: Brad Sparks <RB47x.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 18:32:02 EDT
>Subject: Re: Shostaks's 'Phoenix Lights' With Rebuttals

>>From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 04:40:43 -0300
>>Subject: Re: Shostaks's 'Phoenix Lights' With Rebuttals

>>>From: Frank Warren <frank-warren.nul>
>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 09:27:59 -0700
>>>Subject: Shostaks's 'Phoenix Lights' With Rebuttals

>>>Greetings Listers,

>>>Seth Shostak offered up some penscript (at his blog) on the
>>>recent hoax in Phoenix, and to no surprise melded the events of
>>>March '97 into the piece.
>>The flares dropped at 10:00 pm are from a single aircraft, an A-
>>10 which dropped them, each preset - from the cockpit - to
>>ignite at 25,000 feet 75 miles away. Since flares are useless
>>for ground illumination above 1,500 feet AGL what was the point
>>of ignition at 25K?

>>My guess is a quick patch job for the folks in Phoenix 2 hours
>>plus past the main events. And I am not buying the foolishness
>>about getting rid or the flares at high altitude so they
>>wouldn't start brush fires in the desert and because they didn't
>>want to land the A-10 with flares on board - or put them back
>>into inventory.

>>They didn't have concerns earlier about dropping them into the

>>There is much to be said about full crockery re Seth's
>>ruminations. It's 4:40am and I'm going to bed.

>Hi Don,
>I don't know why Shostak would bother beating the tired dead
>horse. Doesn't he have better things to do with his time?

>But I have a problem with the theory that the AF deliberately
>dropped the flares within 2 hours of the genuine UFO sightings
>from 75 miles away just to try to confuse people. I would doubt
>anyone in the AF would think the flares could even be seen from
>75 miles away or be prominent enough to be noticed. Wouldn't it
>have been easier to just fly a formation of A-10 aircraft
>directly over the the route of the UFO to try to confuse
>witnesses, maybe have them flash some high intensity lights
>along the way?

>It seems more likely that it was a serendipitous opportunity
>after the fact to claim the flares caused the UFO sightings, not
>part of a planned operation.


Regardless of the intent, of the Air Force (or Guard) the
outcome did and still does muddy the waters to this day; the
media continues to air the the 10:00 flare video when addressing
the so-called Phoenix Lights, erroneously marrying multiple
events to those 5 infamous videos.

On the flip-side, if the flare drop was an intentional
diversionary tactic, given the fact that training, or more
specifically the dropping of flares was a common occurence in
the area, one would think they would have an idea about the
characteristics of LUU-2 illumination flares, i.e., candlepower,
distances they would be visible etc. Moreover, smoke and/or
'chutes would be visible.



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