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Re: Shostaks's 'Phoenix Lights' With Rebuttals

From: Brad Sparks <RB47x.nul>
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 18:24:35 EDT
Archived: Mon, 05 May 2008 09:46:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Shostaks's 'Phoenix Lights' With Rebuttals

>From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 14:28:04 -0300
>Subject: Re: Shostaks's 'Phoenix Lights' With Rebuttals

>>From: Brad Sparks <RB47x.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 18:32:02 EDT
>>Subject: Re: Shostaks's 'Phoenix Lights' With Rebuttals

>>>From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 04:40:43 -0300
>>>Subject: Re: Shostaks's 'Phoenix Lights' With Rebuttals

>>>>From: Frank Warren <frank-warren.nul>
>>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>>Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 09:27:59 -0700
>>>>Subject: Shostaks's 'Phoenix Lights' With Rebuttals

>>>>Greetings Listers,

>>>>Seth Shostak offered up some penscript (at his blog) on the
>>>>recent hoax in Phoenix, and to no surprise melded the events of
>>>>March '97 into the piece.


>>>The flares dropped at 10:00 pm are from a single aircraft, an A-
>>>10 which dropped them, each preset - from the cockpit - to
>>>ignite at 25,000 feet 75 miles away. Since flares are useless
>>>for ground illumination above 1,500 feet AGL what was the point
>>>of ignition at 25K?

>>>My guess is a quick patch job for the folks in Phoenix 2 hours
>>>plus past the main events. And I am not buying the foolishness
>>>about getting rid or the flares at high altitude so they
>>>wouldn't start brush fires in the desert and because they didn't
>>>want to land the A-10 with flares on board - or put them back
>>>into inventory.

>>>They didn't have concerns earlier about dropping them into the

>>>There is much to be said about full crockery re Seth's
>>>ruminations. It's 4:40am and I'm going to bed.

>>Hi Don,


>>But I have a problem with the theory that the AF deliberately
>>dropped the flares within 2 hours of the genuine UFO sightings
>>from 75 miles away just to try to confuse people. I would doubt
>>anyone in the AF would think the flares could even be seen from
>>75 miles away or be prominent enough to be noticed. Wouldn't it
>>have been easier to just fly a formation of A-10 aircraft
>>directly over the the route of the UFO to try to confuse
>>witnesses, maybe have them flash some high intensity lights
>>along the way?


>Getting an A-10 airborne with a few flares either already
>installed or installing them would have been a lot faster.

>The SELLS 1 MOA is the closest and comes within 21 statute miles
>of the edge of Sky Harbor's Class C airspace which is 70 statute
>miles in diameter - or 35 S miles plus 21 S miles for a total of
>56 S miles from the edge of the SELLS MOA to the tower at Sky

Hi Don,

Well I have a highly reliable, technically expert witness who
lives in Phoenix and saw a flare drop in Jan 1997, two months
before the Phoenix Lights of March 13, 1997, and they were below
the the local mountain ridge to the south, i.e., less than 20
miles away. He said that the flares looked like they were
snatched from midair before they could hit the ground.

My point is that if the AF knew it could do a flare drop within
20 miles of Phoenix, which would have been far more spectacular,
why do a flare drop from 75 miles away when you wouldn't even be
sure anyone could see them at all? Any flares dropped 75 miles
away would fall below the top of the Estrella mountain range one
the flares fell below about 14,000 ft and would then be
invisible to Phoenix residents.


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