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Re: SETI's Real Objectives?

From: Stuart Miller <stuart.4.nul>
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 16:43:00 +0100
Archived: Sun, 04 May 2008 08:07:45 -0400
Subject: Re: SETI's Real Objectives?

>From: Michael Tarbell <mtarbell.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 10:46:59 -0600
>Subject: Re: SETI's Real Objectives?

>>From: Stuart Miller <stuart.4.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:13:16 +0100
>>Subject: Re: SETI's Real Objectives?

>>>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
>>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:03:37 +0100
>>>Subject: SETI's real objectives?

>>>"A civilization very much more advanced than we will be engaged
>>>in a busy communications traffic with its peers; but not with
>>>us, and not via technologies accessible to us." --Communication
>>>With Extraterrestrial Intelligence - Carl Sagan (ed.) 1973 p.

>>>"Communication is a universal, but the use of radio is a
>>>parochial, when we go out into the Galaxy... a radio signal will
>>>be about as useful as a smoke signal. Communication evolves"
>>>Evolving The Alien - Profs. Jack Cohen & Ian Stewart, 2002. ISBN


>>The one thing you can say for sure about them is that everybody
>>else tells them how they could be doing their job better than
>>they are doing. They get almost as much stick as we do. If Sagan
>>and Cohen and Stewart are correct, and they likely are, it means
>>that the onus on contact will be with our space bretheren and
>>will not happen by chance or through SETI's efforts.

>Hi Stuart,

>When you use "contact" in the sense of a deliberate, targeted
>communication, I would agree that if such occurs it will not
>have been initiated on our end. However, SETI - at least in
>principle - casts a wider net than that, to include passive by-
>products of intelligent activity. Should you find yourself cast
>away on some remote island, it is sufficient that you see
>campfire smoke or hear the noise of machinery to be confident
>that you are not alone.

I presume you are referring to SETA/SETV and if so, I'm going to
be pedantic. In terms of the general principle of SETI you are
right, but that's not what SETI at Mountain View does. They
simply point telescopes.

>It may well be that SETI as currently configured is looking in
>the wrong places with the wrong tools, or even that phenomena
>associated with ETI have already been detected but are being
>misidentified as 'natural'. Nonetheless, I consider SETI a well-
>motivated, if clumsy, endeavor.

I agree.

Stuart Miller
Alien Worlds magazine

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