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Re: Defending The Indefensible - Olson

From: Jeff Olson <jlolson.nul>
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:08:32 -0600
Fwd Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 11:25:18 -0400
Subject: Re: Defending The Indefensible - Olson 


>From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:57:58 -0000
>Subject: Re: Defending The Indefensible

>>From: Mike Good <boneheadart.nul>
>>Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:05:55 -0700 (PDT)
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Subject: Re: Defending The Indefensible [was: UFO Photos The
>>Future]

>>>From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
>>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:52:21 -0000
>>>Subject: Re: UFO Photos The Future

>>>>When a scientist submits a proof to a scientific journal, it is
>>>>taken for granted that the scientist has done his homework and
>>>>actually performed all of the experiments he says he has.

>>>>Well we just accept that it is so. Maybe he did it, maybe he
>>>>didn't. So the empirical evidence, most often, is subjective
>>>>too.

>>>The situation you describe would be an anarchic one, a
>>>structureless free-for-all, possibly one that some members of
>>>the internet generations - happy with the sheer "fun" of
>>>believing in ET - might thoughtlessly cheer for, but one
>>>guaranteed to be, in the long run, a destructive recipe for
>>>misery and calamity. But your charge that science is no
>>>different from beliefs in religions or the tooth fairy is,
>>>fortunately for all of us, not only a bit silly but also
>>>factually in error.

>>Thanks Martin, of course, you are correct! I am engaging in a
>>little exageration to make a poi

>But, Mike, I beg to differ. Saying that scientific journals are
>filled with unsubstantiated claims accepted purely on the
>author's say-so, that empirical evidence in science is merely
>subjective and casual, that science as a whole is just one dish
>in a buffet of loopy belief systems that we are free to pick and
>choose from, is not "a little exaggeration", or even a wild
>caricature, but utter intellectual carnage.

>The point you then appeared to make was that because scientists
>with their "prejudices" and "preconceived notions" were no use
>and no "fun", what was needed was "a major change in the
>consciousness of those making the rules".

<Very reluctantly snipped beautiful essay by Martin Shough>

I just wanted to say for the public record that I considered
your post to be one damned fine piece of writing, Martin.  It
really ought to be published somewhere, IMHO.

Best,

Jeff






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