From: Eugene Frison <eugene.frison.nul> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 12:48:05 -0300 Fwd Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 19:50:44 -0400 Subject: Re: Jesse Marcel Jr. On & Off The Record - Frison >From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys.nul> >To: <ufoupdates.nul> >Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 13:32:39 -0300 >Subject: Re: Jesse Marcel Jr. On & Off The Record >You have obviously been persuaded that my writing on MJ-12 and >Roswell has been shown to not stand up, even though you have >provided no examples, not even one. Very true! >By the way, why in the world would you imply that for me all >there is to UFOs is high tech hardware?Oops, Sorry... I guess I >shouldn't ask for specifics. Oh, but in each of my posts I've been _very_ specific about why I assert that even your claims that at least some UFOs are ET spacecraft are premature (this is not quite the same thing as saying "that for me [you] all there is to UFOs is high tech hardware" but a nice try in trying to make it look like I'm saying this). I just didn't get get specific in why I agree with others regarding Roswell/MJ-12 and disagree with you - a debate I have no interest in - and this, too, is a good try to make it look like I'm someone who avoids specifics. Stick to the point I'm making (that even your claims that at least some UFOs are ET spacecraft are premature) based on plenty of _specifics_ (like the Webster/Bedford case that you've conveniently avoiding being _specific_ about) instead of meandering away down other avenues which you know I'm not referring to. I'm merely refusing to get into a debate about Roswell/MJ-12 - not avoiding being specific about why I view your conclusions that at least some UFOs are ET spacecraft are premature. You're taking my refusal to debate one subject with you and using it to make it look like I'm not being specific about why I disagree with you regarding another subject. Nice sleight of hand but my eye is still on the card that you're trying to make disappear. >I learned early on when working in industry that most isotopes >aren't fissionable. Fortunately a small % are. I learned most >isotopes when they capture a neutron emit highly penetrating >gamma rays..Fortunately some such as Boron 10 and Lithium 6 give >off a non penetrating alpha particle. Yes, indeed, I understand exactly what you're trying to say _but_ ... >I am convinced by the >evidence that SOME ufos are alien spacecraft. Most are not. So >what? My college lecture is "Flying Saucers ARE Real"..More or >less by definition all flying saucers are UFOs, but only a much >smaller percentage of UFOs are flying saucers.I am looking for >gold not dross even though gold ore is worth mining if there is >an ounce of gold (probably only a half ounce now) per ton of >ore. ... this is a premature conclusion (that some UFOs are ET spacecraft) because the data shows that the category you are referring to - your gold ore - is not a seperate category from the other components of the UFO phenomenon but instead blends into the more bizarre. You can't just pick and choose nice neat little perfect nuts and bolts cases - cut it off there - when some perfect nuts and bolts cases blur (through bizarre characteristics) into the other components of the UFO phenomenon. You're drawing arbitrary lines and roping off a category (in effect, creating a category) that may not exist in the sense you're defining it. You may be correct that some UFOs are ET spacecraft but you can't conclude this yet until you adequately explain the 'blur zone' between the well-behaved nuts and bolts cases and the nuts and bolts cases that possess characteristics of the 'other components' aspect of the total UFO phenomenon. >So I am very happy to end this discussion. Works for me too, Stan, especially if you're going to keep trying to make it look like my refusal to get drawn into a debate over Roswell/MJ-12 with you is the same thing as me refusing to be specific about why I think your conclusions that some UFOs are ET spacecraft are premature.
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