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Re: USAF vs. UFOs Flatwoods Friedman & Hall -

From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys.nul>
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:45:26 -0400
Fwd Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:38:42 -0500
Subject: Re: USAF vs. UFOs Flatwoods Friedman & Hall -

>From: Paul Kimball <Kimballwood.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:48:26 EST
>Subject: USAF vs. UFOs Flatwoods Friedman & Hall


>I've spent the past couple of days watching two guys I have a
>great deal of respect for, Stan Friedman and Dick Hall, go at
>each other over the Flatwoods Monster case and, in particular,
>Frank Feschino's new book and the question of whether Feschino
>makes claims of some great aerial battle between UFOs and the US
>Air Force on September 12, 1952. Well, I've read the book (more
>on that in a bit), and here's the scoop.


It is good to hear from someone who has read the book. I see
that the above section has been substantially edited from the
early version I read before preparing my Foreword and Epilog. I
will agree that this is a creatively generated possible scenario
based on a host of articles dealing with individual reports at
many locations in the East. Frank is an artist who connected the
dots and not a scientist or an historian. He does detail a lost
F-94 and the governments efforts to cover it up. I have
personally heard at least 6 accounts of aircraft disappearing
when sent up after UFOs. If I have heard of six (usually quietly
after my lectures), than I think it is safe to say there have
been many more. For those who think the government is incapable
of covering up the loss of aircraft (or at least of lying to
families of  166 dead military crew members.) I would point to
William E. Burrows book "By Any Means Necessary: America's
Secret Air War in the Cold War". He supposedly documents the
destruction in secrecy of 16  US reconaissance aircraft over a
20 year period. There were also Soviet aircraft destroyed by the
US in secrecy as well.

In 1952, a massive year for UFO sightings, the F-94s had new
capabilities and there were new radar systems both on the ground
and in the air. There was also great concern about a Soviet
attack while the Korean War was on. The  magic meteor
explanation has no support from the multitude of individual
sighting reports which Frank has collected. Dick Hall is correct
in saying that there have been plenty of bright rapidly moving
bolides observed by people who had no idea what they were
observing. This doesn't fit the dozens of observations reported
in the book.

Yes, it would have been nice to have footnotes. The book would
have taken a great deal longer to get published by Quarrier.
Frank has a huge map and very impressive data connecting the
dots with times and directions. The publisher felt it would be
too confusing with the small print required.

I would also like to have seen an index, and my name after the
Foreword, though it is on the cover as having written the

I still don't much approve of people attacking a book without
having read it nor acknowledging the vast effort that went into
 in the way of data collection. Even if one quarrels with the
interpretation, it is the data
that matters.

Stan Friedman

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