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Re: Call To Action - Canadian UFO Information

From: James Smith <zeus001002.nul>
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:22:43 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Fwd Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:10:27 -0400
Subject: Re: Call To Action - Canadian UFO Information


>From: Eleanor White <eleanor.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:13:45 -0400
>Subject: Re: Call To Action - Canadian UFO Information Project

>>From: James Smith <zeus001002.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:45:43 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
>>Subject: Re: Call To Action - Canadian UFO Information Project

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>>Don't you want to first assess the dangers of ETI disclosure?
>>Why promote, nay, force our elected officials into doing
>>something that may cause chaos in our society? "Disclosure"
>>sounds so positive and "good"... too bad the dark side is being
>>ignored by UFO enthusiasts and promoters.

>Well, as a member of a group of at least thousands of this
>planet's citizens who are experiencing 100% deniable attacks by
>technology which is at the UFO performance class, 24/7, for
>years, for life, with some of our members driven to suicide, I
>want UFO truth exposed _now_! It's decades overdue, in my
>opinion.

I sympathize with your plight. But what can I say? I agree that
this kind of information (harassing citizens using the methods
you describe- not really UFOs or even aliens, but actually the
kind of tech you would expect of ET UFOs or aliens ~1000 yr
advanced) SHOULD be released. It is an outrage if the government
or its representatives are harassing you or these other
citizens. Especially since the harassment seems motiveless and
perverse. I advocate the release of this kind of data because it
seems like the scenarios for public harm are slight, national
security moderate (but tough, screw them I say rather than have
them get their little benefits(?)at the expensive of hurting
citizens), and public good is improved.

The problem I think you and your harassed fellows is that you
cannot find the bastards and back them into a corner and beat
them up! Its always the elusive remote operation and untraceable
perpetrator. Even motiveless! Why torture people for no obvious
gain? Mind control (if it can have a "good" motive) would be
better used to make CEOs/government leaders make the right
decisions or make terrorists/law breakers NOT do bad things. But
the harassors do not seem interested in this kind of work. Why
harass citizens in no place of power or knowledge? If it REALLY
must be done for some unknown reason, why not use test subjects
that are not likely to complain or report such as "expendables"
like illegal immigrants or the thousands of people that
"disappear" each year?

There are alot of questions I have with this harassment concept.
It does seem to happen and can be documented (at least the
subjective effects) but most of the time it seems more like
demonic forces than UFOs or the government. Sure, if the
government wanted to spend millions of dollars to harass a
person they could, and could likely be untraceable, but the
motivation is what bothers me. What is implied is that either
the particular person is very special in some unknown way (I am
sorry but this is generally not true, most of us are rather
unimportant) or that they just randomly want to test torture
people to test their equipment.

This is much like the idea of the government testing their UFO-
like triangles over populated areas. I don't think so. Wouldn't
they NOT want to do this? Sure a little field testing may be
valuable to them, but not at the level we are talking about as
seen in reports.

So I do not really think the government is doing this kind of
testing, but if you can gather evidence this is happening
(suitable to provide your Congressman or network TV), then go
for it! I would think that adequate directional EM monitoring,
motion sensing video recorders, acoustic monitoring, EEG should
be able to provide data. If the frequencies are beyond our tech
to monitor and can be done at a distance then we are screwed and
likely no one will believe you. This almost matches the alien
abduction problem.

My notion is that this harassment is less related to UFOs and
prosaic human agents (criminal or govern.) and more related to
some sort of paranormal activity. Perhaps ghosts, poltergeists,
demons, or some unnamed psychokinetic force.

>Whether or not the scum who torture us received help from ETs
>(or UFO crashes) or not.

Yes, it should be reported because of the human abuse. But if
UFO aliens are doing these harassing things AND the government
cannot do anything about it to prevent it, don't you think the
public would be put into a panic if the government made such a
pronouncement? Maybe it would make matters worse because rather
than have a very small group of harassed,tormented people, you
would have EVERYONE freaking out because they could be next and
there is no way to stop it. How many would commit suicide then?

>At the very least, full UFO disclosure would end, once and for
>all, the chronic denial by officials that technology which can
>do what we report exists.

You presume the government knows and participates in the
harassment activities. Perhaps they either do not know what is
going on, or have no control of it. Why assume the worse, namely
that the government is the evil-doer? Sure it has many problems,
but I do not see the facts that say the government has this
technology. If they disclosed something, who would believe them?
Maybe they made it up? Maybe they release only stuff that makes
them look good? Maybe they release only stuff that makes others
look bad or even discredit the harassed people/UFO concept?

>In a broader view, the government personnel who know the full
>truth are _no_ better than we are, and they are not freaking
>out. As Jessie Marcel urged, give the people what they actually
>own, and _do_it_now_!

Again, you assume they know something about what is going on. If
they know something secret, then its likely they have a good
rationale (maybe not right by OUR standards, but good enough for
them) to maintain secrecy. Also, you are assuming they are not
freaking out. Who knows what nightmares they have? Perhaps they
have compartmentalized their work (like Clinton) to allow them
to function normally. Perhaps psych pre-screening permits
selection of the right people to be exposed to the data and
secrets rather than run the risk of unstable people freaking
out.




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