From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys.nul>
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:25:49 -0300
Fwd Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:15:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Betty Hill Obituaries - Friedman


>From: Joachim Koch <lists.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:18:49 +0100
>Subject: Re: Betty Hill Obituaries

>>From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:29:28 -0300
>>Subject:Betty Hill Obituaries

>>I also talked about Betty on Coast to Coast for a few minutes
>>Monday night and offered copies of my last couple of hundred
>>booklets, The Zeta Reticuli Incident, by Terence Dickinson,
>>about the star map work by Marjorie Fish, for $5 - from  me at
>>POB 958, Houlton, ME 04730-0958.(including Shipping). I suspect
>>they will go rapidly. Canadians only $6.25 from 79 Pembroke
>>Cres, Fredericton, NB E3B 2V1. I have seen it on the Internet.
>>Ink costs for printing would be excessive.


>You sent this booklet to me years ago (thank you again) and
>according to my understanding it represents a rather
>conservative point of view because it discusses and rules out
>every solution other than Zeta Reticuli.

>After all these years,I wonder why you don't distribute the
>booklet for free to those on this List who have a special
>interest in this incident?

Why should I? I should really raise the price and offer mint
copies at special prices. Maybe on E-Bay? They did cost me
money. Postage isn't free. When they are gone, they are gone.

>Completely for free for all and easy to access are our 'New
>Discoveries in Betty Hill's Star Map'. I have written
>previously, on this List, that if you count one to one according  to
what Betty originally said, you come to the fact that it must
>not necessarily have been a 'star map' that Betty saw.

>After having thoroughly analyzed what Betty had said and what is
>presented in Fuller's book and what she said later in the first
>TV documentaries (we have the texts on the website) we came to
>the conclusion that it would be impossible that she could
>identify the location 'where the earth was' in a map with
>distant star systems (without planets shown!) and because 'the
>leader' knew this - he had asked her about her astronomical
>knowledge before - it is not very reliable that he would have
>shown her something so complicated as a star map naturally is
>rather than something she could identify much easier as a
>starter - her own planetary system.

>If the sceptics would give in here and would concede this
>possibility, we easily could start anew!

>Amazingly, we found out by pure astronomical analysis that the
>positions of the inner and middle planets and some of the major
>and very interesting planetoids (asteroids) in our planetary
>system one month around the time the abduction took place match
>completey the famous 'Betty Star Map' pattern. And it would be
>something Betty could verify and crosscheck and understand with
>her own abilities later on.

>Please make up your own mind by visiting our website at:

>http://www.kochkyborg.de

>and click there on 'Betty Hill Case'.

>I feel a little bit uneasy and I don't want to violate the rules
>of piety by writing the above so shortly after her passing. But
>Stanton's selling advertisement of this old conservative though
>fine illustrated and well printed booklet forced me to tell you
>again about our new discoveries in Betty Hill's star map.

>Joachim Koch

I read your work years ago and again more recently, Joachim.
There was a great deal of arbitrariness in the selection of
asteroids.

I find Marjorie's work far more carefully done.

The Hipparchos data showing that ZR1 and ZR2 are only 1/8th of a
light year apart only underlines their specialness as the
closest to each other pair of sunlike stars and a billion years
older than the sun.

Remember, too, that all the pattern stars are sun-like and in a
plane and that all the sun-like stars in the 3D volume of space
are in the pattern... hardly a coincidence. I also think that
there were some problems in translation. I think the subject was
stars not asteroids or planets


Stan Friedman