From: Rich Reynolds <rrrgroup.nul>
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:43:49 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:59:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Credible UFO Witnesses Not Sufficient Proof -


>From: Kyle King <kyleking.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:08:29 -0500
>Subject: Re: Credible UFO Witnesses Not Sufficient Proof

>>From: Frank Warren <frank-warren.nul>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:32:17 -0700
>>Subject: Re: Credible UFO Witnesses Not Sufficient Proof

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>>My response to young Mr. Sakulich:

>>Dear Mr. Sakulich,

><snip>

>>My advice is to seek a career in politics =97 you=92re a natural for
>it!


>Kudos, Frank!!!

>And I could recommend a political party that seemingly was
>_made_ for a guy like Sakulich. When a "true believer" like him
>runs up against the "reality-based" community, he starts to look
>like an eccentric, or worse, a candidate. I imagine he also
>believes that global warming is a hoax, and that Saddam Hussein
>instigated 9/11.

>It used to be the college students who fomented rage against the
>machine. Poor Aaron heralds the new paradigm...student as pundit
>for the machine. Events like Tiananmen Square and Kent State
>would never happen with guys like this. Progress?

>Odd though, his dismissive manner reminds me so much of Nancy
>Lieder that I get this odd involuntary lip-curl...ick.

>My suspicion? He's an alien disinformation agent, probably with
>a persecution complex. <joking>

>Get help Aaron, there's still time to undo the harm that has
>befallen you... take a real science course quick, and pay
>attention! <not joking>


Dear Kyle and Frank (and others):

I've corresponded with Mr. Sakulich, who seems to be a fine
fellow, taking the stance about UFOs (and related phenomena)
which is held by the skeptical younger set (and many oldsters
also I'm afraid).

Several responses from UFO aficionados (to my e-mail address)
about a few of my posts here indicate that many have stopped
visiting UFO Updates or other UFO forums because of the nasty
colloquys, between UFO icons and those who are more interested
in a heated back-and-forth rather than finding out what UFOs
have been and are.

Mr. Sakulich presents a cogent summary of the anti-UFO set...
those who haven't seen something strange in the sky (or on the
ground) or those who haven't studied the topic.

Frank Warren's step-by-step rebuttal of Mr. Sakulich's
presentation, while not thorough, was a nice offset, and it
should evoke responses from those who believe in UFOs or know
things that newbies don't - no matter how tiresome it is to
repeat, ad nauseum, ad eternum. ad infinitum, the arguments and
stories replete within the UFO history.

I, for one, love the "clarifications" of Stanton Friedman,
Richard Hall, Jerry Clark, et alii, even though I've heard them
many times before.

UFOs, like philosophy, theology, and other unresolved
existential issues, should invite all comers, even those who
doubt. Bashing them for their non-belief creates a stasis, which
I don't think will help resolve the UFO mystery... but I could
be wrong.


Rich Reynolds
Fort Wayne MediaWatch