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Re: The Phoenix Lights - Man Made Hoax Devices -

From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 12:46:21 -0400
Fwd Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 16:52:24 -0500
Subject: Re: The Phoenix Lights - Man Made Hoax Devices -


>From: Kelly Freeman <Khfflsciufo.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 18:36:31 EST
>Subject: Re: The Phoenix Lights - Man Made Hoax Devices


>>From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 17:34:36 -0400
>>Subject: Re: The Phoenix Lights - Man Made Hoax Devices

>>>From: Kelly Freeman <Khfflsciufo.nul>
>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 05:38:02 EST
>>>Subject: Re: The Phoenix Lights - Man Made Hoax Devices

><snip>

>>Now I know that the 1951 sightings don't match exactly with what
>>was seen in Phoenix, but with 40 or so years of "modernization"
>>couldn't the Phoenix objects have been the more advanced
>>versions? I would put money on the possibility that the objects
>>seen in 1951 and in Phoenix were in fact terrestrial versions of
>>some secret development program, and thus, would give reason for
>>the military to drop flares to distract the media and the rest of
>>us from the real "UFO", if in fact, flares were used at all.
>

>>Just a theory that I thought I would share with everybody.
>

><snip>

>Sorry Jim, that theory been done to death. You are probably new to
>this but that old dog just don't hunt. Ask yourself this. Where's
>the old models from the 50's? Where's the crash wreckage? Where is
>the brilliant technology that created these things? And then why
>waste time building B2 bombers at 750 million a copy if the
>'military' already has the technology?

>First, the name is Kelly and I have been at this awhile. The
>questions you asked are flawed. Who says we are supposed to find the
>old models? Did one of them really crash? Where is that brilliant
>technology? Perhaps it's not meant to be found... yet. As for the B2
>bombers, the question is irrelevant because the Defense Department
>has perfected the art of wasting taxpayers money. But then,
>simultaneous secret programs couldn't be possible, could they? What
>does John Q. Public have the right to know, anyway?

>The ET hypothesis just does't sit right with me with regard to the
>V-shape craft sighted in Phoenix. But then, I could be wrong...and
>that's OK, too.

Kelly-sorry,

Mine are flawed.

You don't sound like you've been at this for awhile nor that you
have read much. Your "secret technology" is a waste of time and
naive. And how the US government wastes money on its bombers is
irrelevant. You said, "But then, simultaneous secret programs
couldn't be possible, could they? What does John Q. Public have
the right to know, anyway?"

That doesn't matter, where's the proof. Either way there has to
be some proof, and I'm betting it would be a lot easier to
disprove the secret technology hypothesis [STH] than the ETH.

The ET hypothesis doesn't sit right with you so you are going to
invent some brilliant technology that wasn't around in the 50s.
Where did it come from? Look at the early aviation technological
[I'm talking jets] development postwar II history in the states.
There is none. It was imported, from Germany and England. Now
you expect me to believe that during and before WWII there was
some secret, advanced aero technology that no one knew about in
the US?

And aircraft always crash-especially when humans are flying
them. Every model right up to the Concorde. And you _are_ wrong.
Save yourself some time and move on to a more reasonable
scenario.

If I sound trite it's because I'm tired of hearing the same old
"secret US technology" BS on this List and others. It goes no
further than the flying stovepipe SR-71, put-enough-horsepower-
on-a-barn-door-and-it will-fly, technology. Event the B-2 was a
knock-off of the earlier Northrup models and only about 300mph
faster-thanks to Kevlar and more efficient jets. Show me some
sophistication. Please.


Don Ledger





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