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Re: Phoenix Lights - Man Made Hoax Devices? -

From: Bill Hamilton <skyman22.nul>
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 07:27:55 -0800
Fwd Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 12:42:19 -0500
Subject: Re: Phoenix Lights - Man Made Hoax Devices? -

>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac.nul>
>Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:54:00 -0500
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Subject: Re: Phoenix Lights - Man Made Hoax Devices?

>>From: Bill Hamilton <skyman22.nul>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 07:45:32 -0800
>>Subject: Re: Phoenix Lights - Man Made Hoax Devices?

>>>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac.nul>
>>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 00:10:52 -0500
>>>Subject: Re: Phoenix Lights - Man Made Hoax Devices?


>>>According to National Air Guard spokespeople in the summer of
>>>1997, the flares were released at an unusually high altitude.
>>>Capt. Eileen Benz, spokesperson for the Arizona National Guard,
>>>and the person who discovered that flares had been dropped that
>>>evening by the Maryland National Guard (Snowbirds), flares were
>>>dropped at an altitude of 15,000 ft. Capt. Drew Sullins,
>>>spokesman for the MD Nat. Guard. said a squad of A-10 using the
>>>Bary Goldwater training range had "dumped several flares" at
>>>high altitude.

>>Bruce, you fail to mention that at that altitude and distance,
>>these so-called perfectly round amber "flares" would be 1,500
>>feet in diameter.

>I don't know what you mean by this. The flares are fixed in size
>by the metal tubes housing the fuel that is burned. Are you
>trying to say thatthe flares change their size with altitude?

I am saying that based on the angular displacement of the light
and its distance from my viewing point, and trig calculations
indicate it to be over 1,500 feet in diameter. Pretty large

However, the FOIA response I rceived last year does not mention
any high altitude drop or dispensing of flares outside the
gunnery range. This is at odds with Eileen Beinz's remarks. Also
Sullins said they dispensed the flares on the North Tac Range.
Wehn they re-enacted the flare drop, it was also on the same
range, not near Ajo.

>>There are too many discrepancis in the flare
>>hypothesis and you know that we went round and round on this. I
>>have the FOIA docs. The A-10s dropped LUU-2 flares over the
>>North Tac Range. At least 63 of them. How come no one saw 63

>You mean. how come no one in Phoenix reported the lights?
>Probably dropped at a lower altitude. The high altitude drops or
>"dumps" may have been under special circumstances. On the other
>hand, from analyzing the 1998 lights I would conclude that some
>flare are dropped at high altitude every year.

No record of higher drops. A total of 117 flares were dispensed
over 2 days. These were bright white and smoked a lot. No one
who saaw the amber orbs reported these flares. The flares were
easily identified as such by witnesses in the year 2000 re-

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